# Knotting Concepts & Explorations

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## [About the Knotting Concepts & Explorations category](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/about-the-knotting-concepts-explorations-category/2367)

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**Author:** [@system](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/system)\
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**Last updated:** [25 June 2025 20:11 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/about-the-knotting-concepts-explorations-category/2367 "2025-06-25T20:11:28Z")

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A place where we can tear down, explore and build knots of all kinds, figuratively and or virtually.

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## [From low level TIB cores to inherently secure bowlines](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/from-low-level-tib-cores-to-inherently-secure-bowlines/7764)

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**Author:** [@kost\_greg](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/kost_greg)\
**Replies:** 46\
**Last updated:** [7 November 2026 23:39 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/from-low-level-tib-cores-to-inherently-secure-bowlines/7764 "2026-11-07T23:39:10Z")

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I shall start with a new bowline “on the block” until, of course proven otherwise, that belongs to the janus school of thought (see Ampersand), whose basic principle of returning structure’s operation goes like this… F…

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## [Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/re-my-working-notes-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8/6324)

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**Author:** [@siriuso](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/siriuso)\
**Replies:** 205\
**Last updated:** [7 November 2026 06:34 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/re-my-working-notes-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8/6324 "2026-11-07T06:34:27Z")

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Hi dear all, The bends shown in " My Working Notes"are tied in three Ends Starting Methods. They are : Cross Ends, Opposite Ends, and Parallel Ends, which you will find the two working ends are all going to form ove…

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## [Developing a series of all-around practical knots, teaching the basics, simple to tie and being consise](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/developing-a-series-of-all-around-practical-knots-teaching-the-basics-simple-to-tie-and-being-consise/10298)

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**Author:** [@1SaltyKnotter](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/1SaltyKnotter)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [4 November 2026 22:53 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/developing-a-series-of-all-around-practical-knots-teaching-the-basics-simple-to-tie-and-being-consise/10298 "2026-11-04T22:53:18Z")

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I have been working on ways, how to make knots more accesable to people, and improving the transfer of knowledge as best as possible. Some of that effort ended up becoming something i call the "Compact Series". That is …

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## [MID-LINE KNOTS (definition)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/mid-line-knots-definition/10234)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 16\
**Last updated:** [30 October 2026 15:26 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/mid-line-knots-definition/10234 "2026-10-30T15:26:23Z")

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I've started a new topic thread to open discussion on the definition of a 'mid-line' knot. Refer to the photo below... this serves as my 'reference frame' for discussion. Here is my definition of what a 'mid-line' knot…

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## [KNOT IDENTIFICATION (geometry / topology)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/knot-identification-geometry-topology/10160)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [22 October 2026 20:16 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/knot-identification-geometry-topology/10160 "2026-10-22T20:16:50Z")

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To my audience of one - Dan! So as not to de-rail another topic thread, I've started this new topic. Please examine all of the knots in the image below. I am introducing the idea of taxonomic knot classification. Thi…

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## [Offset bends (used in life critical applications)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-bends-used-in-life-critical-applications/9917)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [19 October 2026 08:57 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-bends-used-in-life-critical-applications/9917 "2026-10-19T08:57:35Z")

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Been experimenting with various combinations of F8+OH knots to create stable offset bend geometries. A definition of offset bends: The knot core is displaced from the axis of tension. Offset bends facilitate easy trans…

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## [LEE ZEP BEND](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/lee-zep-bend/10175)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [25 September 2026 17:22 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/lee-zep-bend/10175 "2026-09-25T17:22:18Z")

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Always wanted to showcase Alan Lee's marvellous discovery - the 'Lee Zep Bowline' and corresponding 'Lee Zep Bend'. Enjoy...

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## [Model/Prism of only 3 repeated root elements for organic/cornerless rope works](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/model-prism-of-only-3-repeated-root-elements-for-organic-cornerless-rope-works/7721)

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**Author:** [@KC1](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/KC1)\
**Replies:** 29\
**Last updated:** [23 September 2026 22:42 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/model-prism-of-only-3-repeated-root-elements-for-organic-cornerless-rope-works/7721 "2026-09-23T22:42:01Z")

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Looking at a corner as an immediate, forced, un-natural, inorganic, flow interruption; vs. the more natural, gradual, organic flow of arc for best architecture when loaded. Other than in-organic corner, the 3 elemen…

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## [( Fwd: Texts on Knot mechanics and Knot definitions, in the age of AI. ) from Xarax -2](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/fwd-texts-on-knot-mechanics-and-knot-definitions-in-the-age-of-ai-from-xarax-2/10162)

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**Author:** [@eric22](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/eric22)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [8 September 2026 02:30 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/fwd-texts-on-knot-mechanics-and-knot-definitions-in-the-age-of-ai-from-xarax-2/10162 "2026-09-08T02:30:31Z")

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Text written by X + Claude Knot Mechanics: How a Tangle of Rope Learns to Hold Itself Twist two loose fibers together and pull: instead of sliding apart, they grip. That fact may be humanity's oldest working piece of …

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## [Mirrored double Butterfly](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/mirrored-double-butterfly/10083)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 28\
**Last updated:** [6 September 2026 10:23 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/mirrored-double-butterfly/10083 "2026-09-06T10:23:42Z")

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I noted the similar appearance of a mirrored double Butterfly compared to a midline (TIB) Riggers bend. Refer to image below… I find these structures interesting - and challenging to tie. It compels one to think about…

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## [Water Bowline variation. What is it called.](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/water-bowline-variation-what-is-it-called/10127)

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**Author:** [@Kappietano](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/Kappietano)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [28 August 2026 23:39 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/water-bowline-variation-what-is-it-called/10127 "2026-08-28T23:39:27Z")

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Hi gents, I’m new here but interested in ropework since I was a little Sea Scout :wink: Can anyone tell me the name of this knot? I was searching on this forum and beyond, but can’t find the answer. It is a Lef…

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## [( Fwd: Texts on Knot mechanics and Knot definitions, in the age of AI. ) from Xarax](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/fwd-texts-on-knot-mechanics-and-knot-definitions-in-the-age-of-ai-from-xarax/10161)

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**Author:** [@eric22](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/eric22)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [19 August 2026 17:26 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/fwd-texts-on-knot-mechanics-and-knot-definitions-in-the-age-of-ai-from-xarax/10161 "2026-08-19T17:26:05Z")

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Hi all, Just to share with You. starting from two initial texts I wrote, in hours, here is what various free AI chatbots synthesized - in seconds ! Enjoy - and do the same, with texts written by you. It is about time …

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## [Offset Overhand Bend (tied with bights)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-overhand-bend-tied-with-bights/10157)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [17 August 2026 03:30 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-overhand-bend-tied-with-bights/10157 "2026-08-17T03:30:39Z")

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Something I have been using for a while - but never reported on this forum. A different take on the regular Offset Overhand Bend is to tie it with 'bights'. Many 'bends' can be tied like this (ie with bights). It is p…

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## [physics of a riding turn](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/physics-of-a-riding-turn/6904)

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**Author:** [@Isleofgough](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/Isleofgough)\
**Replies:** 18\
**Last updated:** [19 July 2026 23:37 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/physics-of-a-riding-turn/6904 "2026-07-19T23:37:52Z")

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For some reason, I am stuck trying to mathematically solve the physics of a riding turn. The calculus of the capstan is pretty simple, but I must be making some mistake trying to come up with the compressive force at the…

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## [Exciting ways to tie (boring) knots](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/exciting-ways-to-tie-boring-knots/10115)

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**Author:** [@Abu\_Euqda](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/Abu_Euqda)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [10 July 2026 08:08 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/exciting-ways-to-tie-boring-knots/10115 "2026-07-10T08:08:52Z")

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Greetings fellow Tyers of Twine, I’m wondering who has explored interesting/exciting/daring ways to tie certain knots? Here’s one of my experiments with the bowline. I call this version the “blinded wingchun bowline”. …

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## [Stopper knot topologies and equivalent eyeknots](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/stopper-knot-topologies-and-equivalent-eyeknots/10032)

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**Author:** [@kost\_greg](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/kost_greg)\
**Replies:** 32\
**Last updated:** [29 June 2026 21:25 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/stopper-knot-topologies-and-equivalent-eyeknots/10032 "2026-06-29T21:25:36Z")

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Does anyone share the view that some topologically equivalent states stemming from conventional stopper knot configurations, might exhibit certain resistance to jamming? For instance, below, the illustrated figure 9 pr…

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## [Capsized arthroscopic knots as adjustable hitches.](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/capsized-arthroscopic-knots-as-adjustable-hitches/4587)

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**Author:** [@X11](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/X11)\
**Replies:** 13\
**Last updated:** [16 June 2026 12:01 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/capsized-arthroscopic-knots-as-adjustable-hitches/4587 "2026-06-16T12:01:56Z")

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It is the second time I learn something about arthroscopic knots - the first was at the thread about the Dines knot : http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3659 I had thought of this : What will happen if we use arthrosco…

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## [Study examining development of knots across different societies/civilisations](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/study-examining-development-of-knots-across-different-societies-civilisations/10086)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
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**Last updated:** [28 May 2026 08:38 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/study-examining-development-of-knots-across-different-societies-civilisations/10086 "2026-05-28T08:38:14Z")

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March 13, 2025 study (Cambridge University Press) Link to study: The Ties That Bind: Computational, Cross-cultural Analyses of Knots Reveal Their Cultural Evolutionary History and Significance | Cambridge Archaeological…

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## [Offset knots (amusing video)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-knots-amusing-video/10061)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [25 May 2026 20:13 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/offset-knots-amusing-video/10061 "2026-05-25T20:13:56Z")

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Dan will love this video. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDkLXs-vfuI Its obviously intended for the mass market - and is entertaining. At 3:34 into the video - Dan will be pleased :slight\_smile: Its a shame th…

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## [Yet another midline eyeknot](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/yet-another-midline-eyeknot/7128)

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**Author:** [@kost\_greg](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/kost_greg)\
**Replies:** 116\
**Last updated:** [13 May 2026 14:31 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/yet-another-midline-eyeknot/7128 "2026-05-13T14:31:20Z")

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I wasn’t able to locate an Abok number for this structure, though it looks simple in its construction. Besides a sharp turn at its right link, the two links are neatly interweaved, there are no overhands, plus it appear…

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## [Xarax's hitches folder](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/xaraxs-hitches-folder/10075)

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**Author:** [@eric22](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/eric22)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [2 May 2026 10:27 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/xaraxs-hitches-folder/10075 "2026-05-02T10:27:39Z")

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I chat with Xarax and he share his hitches folder with me, These are all His photos of various hitches, tied by him or by other people, that were lucky to have been saved in his computer. Perhaps there were more, but t…

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## [Make use of overhand knots and Bluewater 1/2" Safeline.](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/make-use-of-overhand-knots-and-bluewater-1-2-safeline/10069)

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**Author:** [@eric22](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/eric22)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [11 April 2026 22:07 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/make-use-of-overhand-knots-and-bluewater-1-2-safeline/10069 "2026-04-11T22:07:07Z")

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youtube.com/@alanleeknots

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## [Sheet bend](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/sheet-bend/10005)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [24 February 2026 00:15 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/sheet-bend/10005 "2026-02-24T00:15:50Z")

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My learned colleague Dan Lehman might be interested in this video from 'Ryan Jenks (HowNot2) : Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_xx\_kESGbi0 We’ve discussed the Sheet bend before - and its #1431 / #1432 forms… Her…

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## [The relationship between 'bends' and eye knots](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/the-relationship-between-bends-and-eye-knots/7654)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 95\
**Last updated:** [29 January 2026 20:20 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/the-relationship-between-bends-and-eye-knots/7654 "2026-01-29T20:20:39Z")

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All ‘Bends’ have corresponding eye knots (‘loop knots’). There are 4 possible linkages that can be made between tail(s) and S.Part(s) - from which ‘eye knots’ are derived (aka loop knots). A further 4 eye knots can be …

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## [Geometric definition of a Bowline](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/geometric-definition-of-a-bowline/7759)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 27\
**Last updated:** [13 January 2026 00:37 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/geometric-definition-of-a-bowline/7759 "2026-01-13T00:37:14Z")

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What is the definition of a ‘Bowline’? I started this topic so as not to derail another topic thread from Dennis Pence. Referring to the attached image (below) - all of the knot images are ‘Bowlines’. I doubt if you w…

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## [Some thoughts on Capstan effects](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/some-thoughts-on-capstan-effects/9875)

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**Author:** [@AikBkj](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/AikBkj)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [17 December 2025 12:54 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/some-thoughts-on-capstan-effects/9875 "2025-12-17T12:54:35Z")

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Disclaimer: These thoughts are theoretical, idealized and over-simplifications of what is found in practice. For a mathematical treatment of the origin of the Capstan effect, see Apparent loss of friction - #4 by AikBkj …

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## [Double Blimp Knots from Double Zeppelin Bends](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/double-blimp-knots-from-double-zeppelin-bends/9989)

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**Author:** [@Dennis\_Pence](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/Dennis_Pence)\
**Replies:** 10\
**Last updated:** [16 December 2025 09:25 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/double-blimp-knots-from-double-zeppelin-bends/9989 "2025-12-16T09:25:28Z")

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I have found at least one instance where someone on the IGKT Forum tried to “double” a Blimp Knot. Actually, that person only “doubled” half of the Blimp Knot as we will see below. Still, it raises the question what we…

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## [Knotted languages](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/knotted-languages/9979)

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**Author:** [@KnotMe](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/KnotMe)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [7 December 2025 08:10 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/knotted-languages/9979 "2025-12-07T08:10:16Z")

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Since my daughter is taking a university course on constructed languages (conlangs), I mentioned my quest to make a knotted language. There has been some activity in this area, although some of it is Celtic (graphic and…

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## [SIngle Fishermans bend (Ashley #1414)](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/single-fishermans-bend-ashley-1414/9931)

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**Author:** [@agent\_smith](https://discourse.igkt.net/u/agent_smith)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [11 November 2025 20:24 UTC](https://discourse.igkt.net/t/single-fishermans-bend-ashley-1414/9931 "2025-11-11T20:24:15Z")

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I need assistance in tabulating all of the possible orientations in which a Single Fishermans bend (Ashley #1414) can be tied in Hawser laid rope. The concordant form can be tied in: S/S chirality Z/Z chirality Ref…

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