Advice before posting a potentially new knot...

[roo]

@SwampRatProductions post:19

Don’t forget to check out the variations as there are probably better than the main knot for diffrent types of cordage.

As you put your variations through various tests, you might look at some other knots as points of comparison:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/zeppelinloop.html (Fixed loop, easily re-sizable).

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/slippery8.html (Adjustable loop)

[Dan_Lehman]

@Bob Thrun post:18

I hsve a hard time following knot directions.
I do not even try to folow word directions.

Many traditional (in books) directions are ill-defined
(and sometimes plain wrong, other times incomplete),
so following them isn’t a sure path to understanding.
But, of course, not trying seals the deal!

Let’s be optimistic, at least in simple knots.

For my indicated variation of the OP’s ventures … :

0. We’ll form the eyeknot as though a tying-in to our
   harness --i.e., SPart away, eye near. And the knot is
   simply a common fig.8-based knot in the SPart
   finished by reeving a bight into it with the tail (as a
   bowline is a loop married to a bight). There
   simply isn’t much to explain here, vs orienting the
   fig.8 and specifying the simple reeving!

For the sake of clockface directions, consider the
SPart’s "away"ness to be UP (12:00), et cetera.

1. Tie a fig.8 knot by bring the SPart through
   12:00 w/curve towards 7:30 and then turning it
   anti-clockwise (on an imaginary circle) to about 4:30,
   then reaching OVER itself towards 10:30 …
   and complete the now uniquely defined fig.8

(which, in unnecessary further verbal instruction,
is to turn clockwise from 10:30 to 1:30 going UNDER
the SPart, and now reaching to 6:00 and passing
OVER the 4:30-10:30 (diagonal) part and UNDER
the 8:00-4:30 arc part).

2. Form the eye and bring the tail back on the RIGHT
   side to reeve into the fig.8 base at about 5:00,
   crossing OVER the arc part and UNDER the 1:30-6:00
   part --and running largely parallel to the 4:30-10:30
   part–, to then …

3. Cross OVER & turn around (i.e. cross back UNDER)
   the 12:00-7:30 part,

(and now exit between eyelegs, parallel to tail’s leg)

4. … back towards 5:30 passing UNDER 1:30-6:00 part
   and over 7:30-4:30 arc (and now the tail’s out, reeving done).

Set by pressing down on the turn around the SPart
(the 11:00-1:30 arc) and pulling on SPart, and by
tightening tail.

I’ve tried this in some tired old, ornery-stiff BW II low-elongation
(“static”) line, loaded via body weight & bouncing (175#+xx)
on a (crummy) 5:1 pulley. In this line, the SPart and its
side eye leg aren’t delivering too enough force to the
collar/turn around the SPart’s entry to make that turn
too tight to loosen --after which there is no further
binding!

I like line drawings, but they take a long time to make.

Well, especially if one delays beginning! I've some several piles of ropes literally "tied up" with "new" knots awaiting pen-on-paper recording, such that these various things to try from the Net send me trying to find some uninvolved cordage to play with --argh!&^$#$@ :-\

Black cord is a poor choice for seeing the edges where the cord crosses itself.

... as one is deprived of shadows for hints/help. Sometimes it helps to use different colors in the material --even though, yes, the illustrated knot is for a single piece of material-- to show the end being reeved back into the base.

Ooooo, that BLUE cord --THAT looks good!

–dl*

[Dan_Lehman]

@SwampRatProductions post:20

Also, just curious, how often do y’all have “new” knots submitted and or are actually confirmed and put in the magazine?

From time to time, Knotting Matters will present some knot
believed (or hoped) to be new, or wondered about. Consider
that the IGKT itself was founded in consequence of a (mistaken)
belief of a new knot.

I have some thousand or two such knots,
so could do one daily for several years …
–but things would get old way before I finished!

Confirmation of “new” is a dubious thing : we have of
course some well-known books to consult, but most
books copy prior ones and the variety is only so great;
beyond this, one can hope to find in various places in
non-knots-specific literature otherwise unrecorded
gems of knotting variety; and we can know that there
are things done that just aren’t recorded. Ultimately,
one will likely conclude that new is not all that it’s
made out to be, as a quality.

One can see that you’d like to carry the attribute for
the knots you’ve presented; others might care less
for that bit, and wonder more about how the knot(s)
work --irrespective of newness! (And, frankly, if
you’ve managed on your own to find a great working
knotting solution, that’s to your credit irrespective of
whether it was previously known (at worst, we can
decry your research vs. your inventive skills ).)

–dl*

[mercury]

Is it possible to move a posting from one section to another? Your post suggests that I would be better posted in another section.

[Zigzagger]

Dear Mrs Glenys Chew,

I made a small instruction video merely 978KB of a new knot which I would like to post as it explains better than 10 pictures or 1000 words!
Currently this kind of attachement is not allowed.
The current restrictions of max. 4 pictures 100kB each , max 1024KB total seems a bit outdated to me.

Could this restriction made more relaxed with respect to format and size, keeping the max total size at 1024KB?

Kind regards,

Coen Rijnsburger (Zigzagger)
Netherlands