Recruiting new members?

Oh Oscar,

You voice the imaginings of so many who are drawn to the promising name – “The International Guild of Knot Tyers”

The name, and to a degree the Guild aims, promises all the things you (and I and many others) thought that the Guild would encompass.

Sadly, the promise in the grandiose name is not delivered in reality (yet). You would be better served if you think of the Guild as a small club of decorative knot tyers with a smattering of practical and ‘theoretical’ tyers. The regular publication ‘Knotting Matters’ is well worth the annual membership fee, and if you join, then you will make one more who feels that the Guild should actively deliver the expectations its name conjours up.

If you join, then you can work towards achieving these goals, and I for one would certainly vote for a person with your vision and perception to take a seat on the Council.

Derek

Derek,

Perhaps on the face of it my initial knowledge of what IGKT was incorrect and indeed from your comments, it appears that I am way off knowing what IGKT is.
I would like to think that the IGKT had a bit more weight as an authority or group with a comprehensive knowledge of knots in general. Is the IGKT affiliated with other groups , Is the group actively promoting itself? I have in my short discourse with my postings found the users to be very helpful, sympathetic and willing to research (in particular a knot I have posted for identification). I must admit i found your reply quite humourous. When are we going start a knitting group? I got this pearl over plain that i must show you! But seriously your comments come from experience and I aknowledge that from your writings the current situation may not be ideal and we need to work towards a common goal. Perhaps we need to discuss some acheivable aims and take it from there for a start.

Regards

Oscar

The IGKT was chartered upon the coincidence of many knot-interested correspondents
commenting upon (what I prefer to call…) “SmitHunter’s Bend” making front page news
of the London Times (in the good ol’ days pre-RupertMurdoch, alas now sucking up
another venerable paper of the Fourth Estate (WSJ). Such was the expressed interest
and enthusiasm for various aspects of knotting that Geoffrey Budworth & Des Pawson
thought to try for longevity of interest and founded the IGKT, convening a charter meeting
of over two dozen. So, the IGKT has this informal, grass-roots origin; it can be, within
reason, what it wants to be, dependent upon membership, effort, et cetera. Perhaps there
are some knot-worthy things it, itself, cannot do by reason of its legal status; but it might
play some role in moving others in whatever direction.

I would like to think that the IGKT had a bit more weight as an authority or group with a comprehensive knowledge of knots in general. Is the IGKT affiliated with other groups? Is the group actively promoting itself?
To my experience, learning about knotting has proven more challenging than I expected, with there being less information concerning them to be reviewed/absorbed, and greater problems in making headway. One the [i]practical knotting[/i] side of things, I submit that the increased diversity of knottable material increases the complexity of knots, and has yet to be generally well appreciated. (Even within a relatively homogeneous medium of monofilament fishing lines w/rated strengths of "20#" (and also some braided lines), the current/just-passed? (August, IIRC) issue of Sport Fishing carries (editer?) Doug Olander's testing of MANY lines in 3 knots--Bimini Twist, Palomar, & an Albright-like bight hitch--, and with surprising results: strengths ranging from about 45%(!) to 110%(!!), and this of the TESTED strength, which he nicely compares with the vendor [i]rated[/i] strength. And, yes, he acknowledges the anomaly of apparent line [i]strengthening[/i] of the >100% breaks and even did repeated testing, because he couldn't believe them. Alas, I don't think he reveals his test configuration. --haven't but scanned the article. The point re the above test report is to show a marked difference between that apparent reality and what one will likely read in most published works on fishing knots. There's SOMEthing to be learned here (either re knots & materials, or test methods (and sometimes reporting))!

As for IGKT influence, there might be something that can be done vis-a-vis international standards (ISO,
e.g.) and knot nomenclature and definition (something akin to the registry mentioned), so that members
of various communities can give information less ambiguously/confusingly. In many of its application areas,
knotting seems to be treated without much weight or broad awareness or focus. The IGKT might help to
increase focus/awareness. (Hence my elsewhere urging for the PAB group to seek more to learn from
those fishermen w/whom they’ll share the festival stage with than in simply presenting the decorative
works they are familiar with. The PAB newsletter has carried a few van de Griend articles about fishing
knots–i.p., one on “side knots”–; some further research of this knotting will help show similarities/differences
between regions, and varieties of knots & materials employed. (I’ve not encountered the Ossel hitch as a
side knot, e.g., but have the (reverse–in tying) Ground-line hitch, and an Overhand w/Half-hitches put on
behind. What is seen on the West Coast boats?)

–dl*