Whoa !! The MM&P is in Newport-News, Virginia.
There is a “Houston Maritime Museum”, I see.
Afterall, we are still on the lookout for the original creator! :)
By which you mean, I presume, somebody who is believed
to have first tied the knot. One can see multiple origins at
times --maybe with a sense of their chronology, or not–,
and see paths from (or not!) them to general awareness.
E.g., we have from the late Bob Thrun a published article
to a small caving newsletter in which he presents what was
later, in a Pop. Sailing(?) article entitled “Zeppelin Knot”
–a name authors of the article came up with. To my point,
I think it’s reasonable to believe that the origin of awareness
of the knot likely comes from the latter source, albeit that one
possibly of later discovery than Thrun’s. Also, for the lineman’s
loop, there was an early publication and then a later one in
a climbing journal, which latter likely influenced at least climbers
and not the first (though I still want to dig into lineman literature
to see any appearances there).
By which you mean, I presume, somebody who is believed
to have first tied the knot
Had anyone been fiddling with the jug sling structure, a knot that dates fom the ancient times, which comes between the end of the line and inline Cask, it is more likely that he might had come across to it.
Sometimes it is in front of our eyes but the mind is not prepared for it yet.
By the way, i really hold in high regard TIB knots (there are very few indeed, see Cask, Butterfly, Harness), with the property of transitioning directly from end of line to inline.
I don’t have the whole picture yet, i speculate that this has to do with their so called “pseudo” symmetry.
Indeed!!
Lonnnnnnnnng ago I played with variations on a Fig.8
base, where the Returning Eye Leg ran straight back
through the knot, to then put in --what seemed natural
to borrow from the BWL-- a collar around the SPart,
tucking back through the knot. Well, at that point
of collaring …, Just Say NO! :: i.e., stop and be done,
having there tied (what I call) the “Quick8” !! --which
knot can be given a nice further securing by arcing
the tail back to make one more tuck, out between
the eye legs at their entry/departure point.
Recently, it is (what I’m calling) the “Tail-Loaded BWL”
(TLB / TLBwl), which is #1010 loaded on its tail --which
loading, NB, is not so simple as stated; i.e., the tail must
be brought back on the one not other side of the knot,
so as to get more of a nipping LOOP vs. arc (which e.g.
the Crabber’s Eye Knot has)!
Of course, the BWL has been before us for ages; only
this year (or 2021) have I seen that SOMEone has found
another way to use that tangle; I’m hoping to be able
to learn who & how. (Conceivably, some person thought
that they were tying #1010 and … emerged with the TLBwl
instead, and found it satisfactory IN SOFT WEBBING.)
Would the ‘Cask’ loop for example be less jamming than the Butterfly when loop-loaded or be more resistant to slipping at the extreme axial loads? Tying it in the Bottle-slig fashion is quite fast and easy.
Hi mcjtom, you might want to check out reply#37 by agent_smith
If you mean bi-axial loading from SPart to SPart, i assume there are no slippage or jamming issues to both knots at medium loads!
Their distinction is, while both eye loaded, the Cask appears to be less prone to jamming, but somehow vulnerable to core distortion.
Mind you, it does matter which one of the two ends, is designated as the Spart, at least for the cask, because if the knot is loaded from the one that is a direct continuation of the eye legs collar, less distortion is induced.
It would be interesting to BTL both knots, and stop the experiment just before rupture occurs (for instance at 6 KN, almost 61% of MBS of the rope used, where he pauses the tensioning process), release from rig and try to untie them to confirm their jam resistance!
All inline knots will slip when subjected to this extremely high strain, and i see no point of loading an inline knot so much, in BTL mode, with nothing attached to the eye, unless it is tied as a bend (see butterfly, Cask bend).
I am also of the opinion that the tester should check if it is feasible to untie the eyeknots (Zeppelin, bowline) that didn’t broke.