Hello All,
I’m no expert on Sennits, but I was just looking for some information on the relationship between the common Scoubidou sennits and the cordage sennits before I came barging in here asking for the help of more knowledgeable people (like Willeke, whom I believe does Scoubi-stuff?).
Wikipedia came up with these two quotes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=List_of_sennit_knots
04:12, 29 October 2006 Centrx (Talk | contribs) deleted “List of sennit knots” (edit summary was “empty and has been for the last 4 years”, content was: ‘{{deletebecause|empty, and has been since 2002}}This is an alphabetical ‘’‘list of sennit knots’’‘.eight-strand sennit[[four-strand sennit]…’)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sennit
Sennit is a kind of flat cordage made by plaiting thinner strands of rope or grass. It can also be used ornamentally in crafts, like a kind of macrame, or to make straw hats.
This knot-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
I was sorry to see that a page on sennits had had to be deleted. It says the subject can be expanded. Is there anyone who is able to do that?
Regards
Glenys Chew
Glenys,
Do you need some information about sennits, or are you just hoping to get wikipedia complete?
If the last, I am not the right person to ask, I do not understand the wiki and am not willing at this time to dive into that.
For string and scoubidou, you can do all in string you can do in scoubidou, just take care about ending, scoubi is very good at staying in place, most string will sork out of the last knot.
On the other hand, you can also do almost all string knots and braids in scoubi, the biggest problem there will be the short lengths and the need to add new bits all the time.
If you have more specific questions I can give better answers.
Willeke
Hello Willeke,
Well, this message was more in the nature of letting people know there’s a knotting link which is in danger of being discontinued. I haven’t any idea about how to update Wikipedia, either.
As to the Scoubis, what I was trying to do was to find out if what I think looks like a crown sennit in Stuart Grainger’s Creative Ropecraft and also his Knotcraft, is in fact that, as the scoubi books my daughter has can’t seem to agree on a name.
Looking at http://www.scoubiguide.co.uk/basic.html and the other stitches mentioned in that site’s sidebar, it seems to me that:
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The ‘Chinese Stitch’ is similar to a set of half-hitches
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The main body (step 11) of the ‘Square Stitch’ is similar to the crown sennit
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The ‘completion stitch’ of the ‘Square Stitch’ (step 20) is similar to a Matthew Walker
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It’s hard to make out with my inexperience, but is the ‘Circle Stitch’ actually a Wall Sennit, but Stuart Grainger makes no mention of such a thing? Their calculation of 12-14 inches of scoubi to form 1 inch of Circle Stitch certainly surprised me, but it might well be right if a Wall Sennit is possible
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Their ‘Butterfly Stitch’ looks to me like a chainstitch, or double braid knot.
Hmmm - I just came across a macrame site (http://www.knotingwork.com/Pages/knots.html). I’ve never had any introduction to macrame, but I see they also refer to Square Stitches.
Does Scoubidou originate from macrame, then? I know I was surprised to see somewhere that it started in about the 60’s, and was only revived, not invented, about 5 years ago.
Does this constitute a change of topic, and need a change of subject line to move it to a new thread, incidentally? I’ve no objections if it does.
Regards,
Glenys Chew
First, Scoubi has a set (or several sets) of names that have nothing to do with the knot names that describe the same thing.
So it is logical that your daughter and you speak a different language there.
You are spot on with the chinese stitch and the ‘main body’.
But I get the impression that the completition stitch is what I call a diamond knot: http://knopen.ismijnhobby.nl/tables/diamont-4_table.html
But it is hard to see and so to be certain.
I think that the circle stitch is a crown sennit going one way round, where the square stitch is the crown sennit alternating directions.
I agree with you that the butterfly stich might well be the chainstitch, or double braid knot.
The square knots in macramé work are reefknots round a core, generally known as square knots to us knottyers too.
Scoubi originated in the 1940 at least, has been revived at least twiced, and also uses the knotsnames of boondogle: http://www.boondoggleman.com/look_in_tin.htm
To complicate the matters more, the people who write for the scoubi books are mostly the ones writing for publishers of textile and hobby magazines, not the knot people.
Glenys, I do not think we need to change the name of this thread, as scoubi is sennits 
but if you feel better you can, you started this thread. (Just go to the first post, click on modify and change what you feel should be different.)
Willeke