Hi Mark, Here is the loose knot.
Thanks Alan,
Once you practice the hand movements to tie this variant of #1080, its not too difficult a tsk.
I have been trying to ascertain what benefits/improvements this bring to #1080…
One thing I found is that the addition of the round turn does appear to allow the knot to be loaded biaxially (Spart through to Spart).
The round turn retards any tendency of the collar to invert upon itself.
This is quite interesting because #1080 is vulnerable in a biaxial loading profile.
Thanks again…
Hi All,
These four loops here, are all good for biaxially load.
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Hi all, I have two loops here I like, Both can be loaded biaxially . I have a quick test on both loops,
Figure 8 knot double loop do better than Overhand knot double loop, ,
but a quick test not good enough to confirm much, need more test.
Hi all, I have another loop here I like, and can be loaded biaxially . Already got it figure out how I world like to tie all these loops, I am planning to make the videos how to tie all these loop first, and then will test it.
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Well interesting, Xarax and Knotsaver have tie few of the Double loops before me.
Here are the links that are given by Knotsaver
https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5490
https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5490.msg37268#msg37268
Hi All, I have made six videos, just post two of them here, the rest of it, please see my channel.
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Mediterranean bowline I, II, III, by Xarax and Knotsaver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1veliSaS73k&t=54s
IPAtch’s double loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=628Dl_38f8c&t=2s
Hi All, I have two more videos here, hope you like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbTet14h6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOsiTgTnhtQ
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When i came across with the Mediterannean bowline, i was impressed by its cleverness and its efficient rope usage, as a double loopknot, although i had some problems of tying it.Well, hats off to the creators of this series of Mediterranean double loops, Xarax and Knotsaver, and of course to you for all your b[/b] double loops, as well as for your tying methods presented in an extremely high knotting level as always.Lucky for me, you have reduced your tying speed in your high quality presentation videos and i am able to decode your motion during the tying process.
May i contribute with a double loop of my own, which is topologically equivalent to the Karash double loop, or can be tied independently as a crossing knot bowline on a bight?
Hi tsik_lestat,
Good work, Thanks for bringing us your knot. I do tied this loop before, may be other people tie it before me
too. Keep exploring, one of these days you will find some good knot.
See this link here; https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4191.msg25580;topicseen#msg25580
I have three loops here, I like the first loop it can be loaded biaxially, third loop look nice and smooth, may
only good for light load. 謝謝 alanleeknots.
Thanks Mr.Lee, but considering that you were the one who brought it in the forum seven years ago, back in time, the credit is all yours.Indeed, it is the one in the attached image, in reply#5, under the topic Elegant loops, found in the link that you have provided in your previous reply (i have attached it too).
In my view, all bowlines normal or virtual, feature “on a bight” double versions, which i usually don’t omit to tie, but most of them are being dismissed (by me), because they need excessive amount of rope usage for their tying up. This instance, seemed quite reasonable to me, in terms of efficient rope usage, that’s why i have kept it, along with the Karash double loop, bowline on a bight, or even eskimo on a bight.You, also seem to take account of this factor in most of your double loops.
And let us not forget that Xarax has tied the single version of this loop, as a Samisen bowline (link, image attached,middle knot), so a name, such as Samisen bowline on a bight, might be appropriate to attach to this knot.But of course, the naming is up to you, as you have tied it in the first place.
https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4883.0
Thank you for your new offerings!!!
Nice (belatedly attending to details here …),
but I think that one could/should skip the first
tucking --which is a small bother, after all–
in the wrapping : wrap THAT tuck, leaving
then just the drawing out of eye. .:. So, you
have a trio of turns, but orient them so that
the above initial bight-tuck is obviated.
Or, as the coiling shifts around my fingers,
begin by
wrapping across (left hand) towards fingers,
then reaching back over the other way (towards thumb)
and finishing --the tail-- coming now up and over at
the center;
and here the drawing out of eye bight comes from back
of hand (across knuckles).
!?
YMMV. But a sort of nice back’n’forth & center as for
tying the farmer’s loop (where upon this 3-turn
position the rule is : center over (a) side; that side now
centered over other side; … now centered leaps over
first-done side; and the now (original) centered turn
is pulled upwards into eye.
(-;
Hi Dan, I can not read writing knot, Can you please just for one time, make a short video how to tie it.
send it to my email, i will make HD video, and bring it back here. Thanks.
Hi All, Have a few more video here, showing how I tie these knots. all the knots under this tread,
the tying method some are reasonable, some are extremely hard to tie, some will jam and some are doing well.
I am glad Mark’s request, is a new territory , I do learn a lots myself.
Also thanks to smirnov_wasilii. He is a creative knot tyer, always on the move.
His videos trigger me to create other tying method to tie the same knots.
Below are the links of the video of smirnov_wasilii and mine. 謝謝 alanleeknots
ABOK #1099 and Ring hitch ABOK #1099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxayBaAb2Y&t=101s
Ring hitch Eskimo double loop V2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5O1fq_zaI
Ring hitch Eskimo double loop V1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnNBjz3mtXE&t=106s
Двойная Вилка или Расщеплённая петля (Двойной Юферсный узел)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Avw2tTeVQ&t=18s
Калмыцкий узел https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SceVa_RsZqQ
Quick tie Kalmyk Loop Knot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61mxfWz1LcY
Hi All,
Ring hitch does fit in bowline nipping loop, I believe many people have tie it before, this type of TIB loop always had
to tie. Have a quick test, it only good for normal use, no good for biaxially loading. will make a video for this loop.
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I have noticed, that in this category of knots, there are several variations which depend on the configuration of the collar of the bight component (clockwise twist, no twist, anti-clockwise twist). For example, if you pull the two ends out of the collar of the Mediterranean I bowline, induce a clockwise twist, and put them back in through it, you will get the Kopisan II bowline (no twist), presented in your recent video.Further more, continuing with one more clockwise twist, you will end up with another double loop variation, which i have not seen so far.
The same stands for your other decent knot, the Ring hitch bowline on a bight, which has strong resemblance with the Mediterranean, but it is not the same of course. One could end up with two more variations, when applying the twisted collar method described previously.
However, it seems very difficult to tie all these double loops on the bight, or perform transformations from one structure to another, unless someone possesses knotting skills like yours, or simply just follows your lead.
This very configuration of the bight component (girth hitch, munter hitch or other), is the one which creates several double loop variations. So, i contribute with one more variation of my own, which has a tidy and solid form, with efficient rope usage, shown in the attached pictures in a loose, front and back view. A U turn component is embedded in the nub of the bight structure, and one can notice that one eye leg (of the two returning eye legs) grips the collar, preventing it from jamming and the other one tighten’s it up.
Looking for a tying method, since i usually tie them in a reverse engineering mode. :-\
Hi All,
tsik_lestat Thanks for sharing you knot, Just so busy on my own knots, later I will do some quick test on your knot.
when I first create some of my knots, I have no idea what kind of tying method I will end up with.
later I do “reverse engineering” I find a few base structure that can tie a couple of my knots,
Later on, I don’t even bother to do the “reverse engineering” try to find the tying method on the rest my knots
that I already posted. I just give these base knots (clockwise twist, no twist, anti-clockwise twist and so on)
the rest of my knots that I already posted show up, and plus more new variations.
You are right “all variations which depend on the configuration of the collar of the bight component
(clockwise twist, no twist, anti-clockwise twist)”
When tying these knots, my first chose I like to make it no twist or clockwise twist, flop the right to the left
and so on, If can’t then go for anti-clockwise----and so on whatever it needs to tie knots.
Yes, most of these double loops on the bight very difficult to tie, Is a new territory, I am on my own knot world,
this is the way I am exploring knots. have to live with it.
I have three more loops here, that I like, looking good to me, will make some videos for it.
Oct-25-2019 add another loop here.
Hi All, This is my favoured loop, good looking, jam resistant knot, not too difficult to tie. I like it very much.
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Hi All, More knots and videos to share with, hope you like it.
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