Perhaps the Moderators can remove the posts about various “adjustable loops”, into another proper thread ? ?
Yes indeed, that would be nice. I would like to add input to a dedicated “adjustable loops” thread that I have held off adding here.
Cheers,
mobius.
Hi All,
Xarax, Mobius, yes it turn into adjustable loop, I felt the same way, we should do something about it.
I suggest may be Mobius you can start a new tread just for “knots war” and left this thread alone.
If we take away some of the reply, may make it very confuse to the reader, because all the reply is connected to one or another.
we can change the name of this thread to what ever.
Let me start a new thread just for “adjustable loop” we can gather all the adjustable loops put in one spots first, and then we test
all of them, see if we can find any adjustable loop can be practical.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All,
I have another loop here, it is difference kind knot, You have to dress the loop in a very odd way
and the nipping loop have a difference way to secure the loop.
謝謝 alan lee.
You utilize the fig.8 knot just as SS369 utilized the fig.9 knots :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4965.0
The problem with those knots is that they should be dressed carefully, otherwise the continuation of the returning eyeleg will follow a slightly different path, where it would be less well nipped, and more straightened ( so, the angle of the “handle” will be even smaller ).
If you decide to tie a fig.8 knot on the Standing Part before the eye, I believe you have no reason not to tie the David Poston s very secure loop - or even the fig.8-based less-easily-adjustable but TIB loop, shown at :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5357.msg36146#msg36146
Hi All,
Just another way to tie this Lee s 8 loop.
謝謝 alan lee.
The angle of the “handle” is a little smaller that I would had wished ( about 60 degrees - I would prefer 90 degrees ), and the grip/contact between the Standing Part s first curve and the continuation of the returning/second eyeleg is a little less direct as I would had wished, but the combined effects of those two factors make a truly “adjustable” loop, indeed.
…which is the end-of-line loop variation of the in-line ABoK#1059 loop. They are equivalent topologically, but also very similar geometrically.
A very complex ( based on a “double”= “8”-shaped crossing-knot ) nipping structure, and a very simple ( “Myrtle” ) collar structure - I would prefer the exact opposite ! 
Personally, I do not characterize the single-collar bowlines as “secure bowlines”, however convoluted their nipping structure may be - even in cases where they are very stable, tight and secure structures, as in the loop presented recently by Alpineer (1). In my mind, a “secure bowline” ( or a secure bowline-like loop ) has to be as easy to untie as the common bowline, and as secure as the fig,8 loop - and the fig.8 loop is a double-collar loop !
Hi All,
The first photo just a superficial loop, but I like the nipping structure, and I found few more home for the tail.
Thanks again Xarax.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All, More loops.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All,
I have two more loops here.
Anyway Xarax have a lots of this kind of loops, but all the knots are dressed tied , I don’t want to spend any more of my valuable
time try to figure out what are these knots.
謝謝 alan lee
Just for the record : What I had to read then, five years ago, when I dared to publish pictures of some similar knots in this Forum:
( Why I believed that I should reply to such …, I can not understand…)
However, I had published some better pictures than the ones you had gathered in your previous post, Alan ! 
See the attached pictures, and :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4306.msg26837#msg26837
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4695.msg31701#msg31701
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4453.msg28786#msg28786
Hi All,
Thanks for the photos and links, make it easier for me to compare your loops with my.
The first photo is your loop. since your loop have some similar look with Water bowline,
Why not give them a load test, after the heavy loading on both of them, Xarax s Pretzel bowline
holding it rock solid form, but the second collar of Water bowline was separated apart.
and both of them are easy to untie.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All,
Simple load test on Xarax s Pretzel bowline and Water bowline.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All,
Just a second thought, why not make it little more complicated, and little more secure.
謝謝 alan lee
Hi All,
More load test, after heavy loading both loops holding rock solid form, and very easy to untie.
謝謝 alan lee
As I had said to Alpineer (1), I do not like sharp U turns, even in first curves of the returning/second eyelegs…
It may well be just a prejudice : other people believe they are beneficial to the “locking” of the collar structure.
" The hard turn… helps to prevent that from feeding material into and so loosening the knot. The coil compresses tightly, for slack security ".
Nor do some ropes --i.p., hard-laid ropes, old stiff ropes,
built-to-be-tough caving ropes. In which case, one must
go to Plan B!
–dl*
Hi Alan (Alan Lee),
I just want to personally thank you for your incredible work and contribution to our collective knowledge bank
I think you are an unacknowledged genius!
I will photograph some of your fantastic creations as soon as possible in high resolution format.
I am already using some of them on a regular basis…
Sincerely,
Mark Gommers