Tying this knot, you soon realize that the nipping structure is an overhand knot ( z chirality I think).
Is this new, maybe?
As I have said in previous post, there are ways to tame that strong beast.
In short give it something to eat, this is the case here.
The jaw cannot close properly having too much to bite. But the overhand mechanism is so strong that it?s still capable of breaking the movement of the outgoing leg to a halt.
One would think that an overhand structure is prone to jamming (salute to Xarax), but not this one.
When well dressed this knot geometry is very compact and dont use much of rope.
This is a TIB knot, I will later on provide a possible route.
Pictures Bear-hug TIB Loop
Bear-hug Loop-ver
Bear-hug Loop-rec
Bear-hug Loop-loose
Bear-hug Loop-orange-loose-2
Hi Enhaut
Nice strategy of taming the beast by feeding it with multiple rope diameters.
As tangled as the loose form may look, it morphs into a well and smart dressed, clean profile, if cinched properly.
Of course i welcome this daunting challenge, but there is always the option of leaving the beast alone and less disturbed and loading your EEL knot from the other end :).
I, myself, have combined such components (overhand +crossing knot), but not with a so well-fed overhand.
Feel free to hug the bear in the middle of the line, within the realms of exploration, performing some collar flips to your original, end of line structure. It looks fresh, very stable and butterfly-ish, especially in the crossing area around the eye legs, with an axial SP alignment.
In a stange way, i usually pin down a TIB pathway that leads to butterfly, however i think it would be somewhat arbitrary to define it as butterfly derivative. Verily, collapsing the collar that encirlles both ends, at your original configuration, would lead to a poacher’s noose form, which also points to butterfly.
Hi Kost_Greg
Thanks for the review.
Of course I did load this beast in the reverse form before the presentation, but I refrained from pointing out the EEL option for one reason.
On that side there is a sharp turn maybe begging to be split at high tension.
So I like what you have done with the inline profile, both ends grab enough rope diameter and the jamming threshold seems OK.
“well-fed overhand” nice turn of phrase !
there are ways to tame that strong beast.
In short give it something to eat, this is the case here.
There are of course some of the obvious ends joints
to use as bases for a corresponding OH eye knot :
#1452 is nice, along w/1408, Thrun’s bend (zep.),
and others.
Long ago, I looked at replacing the stoppered tail
of the returning eye leg of the honda knot with
a bowlinesque “proper collar”, and that works
pretty well.
Rockclimbers have the “competition knot”,
which one might say is an offset overhand
ends joint used in the common way of being
a base for an eye knot. (Similarly, the Fig.8
works well as a base in this working --both
bases putting SPart into the interior
position.)
–dl*
