Coasters, Thumpers, Mats, Flats, & Pot-passers.

Hail and Howdy, fellow kinkers of cordage!

I’ve warned you, so now you’re going to get it. :-*

I first learned THK’s from Hervey Garrett Smith. I don’t know him nor owe him, but I really like his books!! He clued me in to the “trick” of turning a THK “inside out” to make it lay flat. He called them “Thump Mats”. I call them “Coasters”. Same thing. Nice. I especially like the way a 4L * 5B THK lays out, with a 5-pointed star figure in the center of a scalloped ring. Pretty, and it fits cups & glasses really well, too! (BTW: If anyone is interested, Nautile has drawn a remarkable, nifty, easy 4L * 5B start, in hand.)

As time went by, & my ambition outpaced my skill set, I found the IGKT and was encouraged greatly. So, with the confidence that only ignorance can bring, I fetched around for new Matting ideas.

After a little digging, on the IGKT PAB site, I found a Very Nice Oval Mat, ABOK #2270 or 2271, which was so easy to follow there are no instructions! And no mention of any useful “hints” … like “it is NOT round, but OVAL”!! And “It is extremely hard to fair!” That hung me up for a good while. Notice: That is an OVAL MAT!! At least I can’t make them round.

Hitch in haste, repent in seizure! :smiley:

The good news is, with a lot of practice you can tie it in hand, so you don’t waste any space; and straight off a spool (with one end only), so you don’t waste any cordage.

This mat makes a dandy Coaster or Pot Passer or Bowl Holder, as it’ll fit over your hand pretty well. So that’s two.

I was looking for a square mat. PABPRES, in his infinite Wisdom, mentioned ABOK# 2268 – in passing, in an offhand way. So I made an offhand note & filed it away. Then I worked my way to that spot on my list, and lo and behold, it turns out to be a really nice mat!

After looking at it, not only can you tie it in your hand, but you almost must. It’s that easy.

The downside is, you have to pass both ends through the knot to build it. That means you can’t just run cord off your spool. Okay, so that’s no big deal really. Some stores sell pre-cut hanks of cordage of various sizes. This is a perfect place to use them! Best of all, if you’re working with a group, you can hand out hanks to everyone & set them all tying this in just a few minutes. (As a reference, when I try this, 12’ of 3/16" diamond braid Polyester makes a doubled (2 ply) mat the size of a Palm Pilot PDA, more or less…) Count on an hour or two the first few times.

It works okay if you double it, but three plies will not likely please you. Just keep working the pattern – laying tracks & splitting them then fairing the whole knot (two useful skills all decorative knotters should have) – until you have about half your cord outside the knot. That may be 1/4 per end, or some combination. If you have much less than 1/2 total, you won’t be able to finish doubling. If more, well, you’ll cut the ends off & throw them away, just as you should. Seriously, you can work a lot of cordage into this mat, so don’t cut until you must.

If you double it, you can leave the inside part of one corner “very proud” and effectively create a hanging loop.

But there’s no need to double this one! I made one in about 18’ of 2mm hemp, one ply, and it wasn’t completely disgusting. It took a week to finish, though!! Hemp is tough to reeve through all the “gozunders” and “gozovers” (“goes under” “goes over”, props to PABPRES) in this mat!

Now, I’m a big believer in reciprocity. However, this is “reciprocating” only in the broadest, most generous sense. Yep, you remember, I don’t have an artistic bone in my body. You’ve been warned. The only real “benefit” I can conjure here is, since I actually drew this, I hereby declare you can feel free to print it in copious quantities to hand out to your nieces & nephews to play with.

(Or redraw it yourself, please!!)

Anyway, with all due thanks to all who have gone before, and with all apologies to anyone who has aesthetic sense, here goes - literally - nothing:


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I told you so.

Enjoy!

Jimbo

He clued me in to the "trick" of turning a THK "inside out" to make it lay flat. He called them "Thump Mats". I call them "Coasters". Same thing. Nice. I especially like the way a 4L * 5B THK lays out, with a 5-pointed star figure in the center of a scalloped ring.

I have posted a 24 Bight Turks Head Mat (coaster) on the KHWW website. The site is down right now, but when it gets back up, there is a photo of it in my gallery. I am sending out another coaster in the IGKT-PAB newsletter the next time the editor finds room to insert the template and story. This one will be an 8 Bight Mat with the center closed to 4 bights. I will also be sending out in a future PAB newslettter a 15 Bight Mat with the center closed to 5 bights.

The 24 Bight Mat is a 5L x 24B TH laid flat with the center closed to 12 bights, and then 6 bights. I have also closed the center to 4 bights, but I like the 6 bight center more, so I posted that.

The traditional “Thump Mat” in Ashley (I don’t have it at hand, but it’s in the Flat Knots section, 2260?) is a 6 bight TH with the center closed to 3 bights. Any time the bights on a Turks Head is divisible, then it is possible to close that end of the knot by the divisor.

Sometimes it takes trial and error to find the combination, but the possible commutations and permutations are as infinite as there are possible Turks Heads as described in Ashley. Of course, the Turks Head Mats are round. If you want an rectangular or oval shape, stick with a prolong knot or some of the other oval mats in Ashley.

Pat

Hi Pat,
The thump mat is ABOK # 2360. Help me understand your statement:
“Any time the bights on a Turks Head is divisible, then it is possible to close that end of the knot by the divisor.” I ask, divisable by what?
I don’t know how to “quote” on IGKT forum so this post may look odd. Sorry.

Hello Jimbo !

Eh bien mon cochon! c’est une fameuse idée ! ( That is between Jimbo and me ; not really polite I know, but fun - I have an excuse I was born French!. More or less the equivalent in colloquial, not really upper crust, French of " Hey ! that is swell" )

Thanks for setting me, a while ago, onto the making of these diagrams and for another nice idea : this “pooled” post, instead of making two under different headings.

Your process for this one I find “elegant”, but then you sure got that already! And its second “merit” ( for me at least, will have to see if others think so too!) is that open a new vista for me.

Mats and coasters :here are some more, plus a “conversation piece” : a Moebius strip turk’s head :

Ornamental or fancy knotting diagrams for young tyers was the primitive intent : in a few minutes you can have the knotting all laid up. Then you just have, and this is the “long” part of it, to fair it up!).

Two methods are used :

  • the Harpagon ( French) ( French) Ebenezer Scrooge (UK) or The Miser’s method : crooked fingers, palm up. Fingers can be replaced by corks glued or nailed or screwed on a plywood board . Getting corks is easy and pleasing : have some bottle of wine to get the cork!: French of course but certainly do not forget Australian, Californian, Italian ones, some are among the best that can be drink )

  • the Saint Sebastien or Hedgehog 's method : pins on a cork board. ( see “caution” paragraph )

…young tyers…well,young…in years, in spirit, in knotting experience, in that sort of knotting, well… who ever care to have that label put momentarily on to her/him.

Here are some (there are a few more , added since) of the knotting proposed, they were made while “proofing” Knotting Diagrams

When in Knotting Diagrams ( click here ) :
a “click” on a thumbnail will bring up a bigger photography.
When on this bigger photo a right mouse click should open the menu with a save option to download onto your computer’s hard disk.

CAUTION about use by children.
I know that what follow is “evident” but I have seen much that happened because “evident” was forgotten that I do not believe in it anymore and find better to “bring down open doors” if needed be. So…
No pins for children under 6 ( or even in presence of under 6 )even with adult overlooking.
Pins must have a “handle” or “sphere” for easy handling and the working extremity will be dulled a bit as there is no need for a very fine point with a cork board. If you are prepared to change often the board even wooden tooth picks can be used.

But whatever means be used:

  • Each child should be thoroughfully “trained” in the correct use of “pins”.
  • A strict order is to be enforced : no pin in mouth or even the near the face.
  • A careful count of pins must be held : when giving them to children and when taking then back at the end of session. The two counts, before and after should tally. If missing pin : careful search and if not found then it might be advisable to seek medical advice.
  • Cork board should be placed on a [I]stable flat horizontal(/I] surface ( table, desk, working bench…) and not “on the knees”, child on a chair and not moving around…
  • No “floating around” pins : they should always be pinned on something : on the board when in used, on a cork when not in used.

Cheers

PABPRES,

When I said divisible, I meant divisible by a whole number. There are several spherical Turks Heads that have a base knot with 8 bights. When the ends are closed to 4 bights, there are 4 bights that go to the top of the tube, and 4 more bights that don’t quite make it to the top of the tube. When the knot is tightened, it closes into a sphere. I have also seen them called “planet” knots. I wrote how to do it ages ago, and was published. I think it was KM54?

While it is easier to close both ends of a traditional Turks Head, I have also come up with a few ways to close only one end of a TH. I have spent a few Sunday afternoons with a lapful of string messing about to figure out how to do it, and then I have drafted it to make a template that will fit onto a toilet paper tube. When you close one end of a Turks Head, it tightens up into a round mat.

Pat

Thanks Pat,
Sometimes I am pretty slow. I have been closing one end to make tool handles and bicycle hand grips and such as you know. I don’t think I was a member for KM 54. My first issue is #68 and that was by buying back issues as I could afford. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get all back issues of KM and Knot News scanned in an downloadable… even at a modest fee?

When the ends are closed to 4 bights, there are 4 bights that go to the top of the tube, and 4 more bights that don't quite make it to the top of the tube.

Yes, I was always the one the “grown-ups” told to “shush!”… But I gotta know!

What did you just say??

It sounds as if you have a THK with some number of bights on one end & some other number on the other… That’s what I think, anyway.

So if you’ll pardon a chatty, precocious child of yore,
could you please expound on that aspect of the topic (at least) some more??

PS: Mr. Budworth (whose “Complete” book I own) has published a veritable constellation of “Planet Knots”, but I can’t see how they relate (topolgically) to THKs… (Hmmmm… I should probably try to tie one, if I can find something to put it on…)

Pat_Deucey & PABPRES: Thank you for chipping in!!
Nautile: Thank you again for the amazing drawings!
Everyone else: I notice the links don’t render in YABB like they’re supposed to. Don’t look for the underline, just the slight, subtle difference in color…

Jimbo,

Tie a thump mat as Ashley 2360. Poke your finger up through the center of the knot, and pull it so it is a tube, in the typical shape of a Turks Head. At the bottom of the knot, there are 6 bights, and at the top of the knot there are 3 bights, and three bights that don’t make it to the top of the knot. That is what I mean by closing one end of a Turks Head. It tightens up flat, and makes a nice mat.

When KHWW gets back on-line, check out my gallery, and you will see the same thing done with Turks Heads in 8 bights, 15 bights, and 24 bights. Also check out the wine glasses, where I have combined several different Turks Heads using the same rule of common divisor. Many combinations are possible, I have posted a few grids in the tutorials section if you want to tie a few of your own.

To tie them in hand, I first tie the base Turks Head, and then use a second piece of string using the first knot as a base so I know where to skip bights and generally jump around the knot. When I have completed the finished knot, I pull out the base knot, and tighen it up. I draft them as a grid that tapes to common objects, like toilet paper tubes, so I can skip the intermediate step and save time. When I showed this method to some other knot tyers, they wanted copies, so I ended up posting them. I have also been sending out some of the better grids in the IGKT-PAB newsletter.

Pat

The photo galleries at KHWW are back on-line. This is a link to the photos of the 8 bight, 15 bight and 24 bight TH Mats. The editor of the IGKT-PAB newsletter Knot News has also informed me that he will be sending out the template to tie the 8 bight mat in the next edition. This is a template that wraps around a toilet paper tube.

http://www.khww.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=43

Pat