cross with the cross knot

This is another naming query (poll at the bottom). First some context, though:

  • this is the cross knot, the cross side is considered the front and the crown side is considered the back. In Chinese it is “十字結” which literally means “the character for 10 knot”, which really means “cross/plus shaped knot”. In Japanese it is “叶結び” which literally means “leaf knot” but really means “square and plus/cross shaped knot”. I’ve seen it called the Japanese Bend, but haven’t checked to see if that nomenclature is from ABoK . Wouldn’t it be nice if it was the square+ (square-plus) knot? :nerd_face:

  • this is the double connection knot. it is a two strand matthew walker

  • this is the horizontal or sideways double connection knot

  • this is knot in question. in Chinese I have seen it called “十字双联结” (cross shaped double connection knot). I have also seen it called “the true cross knot” because it is a + on both sides instead of just one.

  • if we have the basic and sideways double connection knots above, then this one is the diagonal double connection knot? tilted? ++ (plus plus)?

    • diagonal double connection knot
    • tilted double connection knot
    • true cross knot
    • ++ (plus plus) [double connection] knot
    • twenty connection knot (ten+ten)
    • ± (plus minus) [double connection] knot
    • earth (土) double connection knot
    • scholar (士) double connection knot
    0 voters

This is also known as the ‘Friendship Knot’ and is used by scouts across the world to tie their scarves (or ‘neckers’) .

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groovy knot. hadn’t seen it before.
:thinking: do you reckon the faces of the knot look like a ‘division’ sign, too?

oh check this out, the Matthew Walker MW knot has ‘M W’ embossed in the knot

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Sorry I missed seeing this earlier. (I don’t always read the decorative knots section). The first post asked for the Ashley location. This cross knot appears several different places in ABoK, each with different names. [#808, 809, 1032, 1066, 1423] I also agree that scouts world-wide use it to tie neckerchiefs and call it the Friendship Knot. I first learned about the knot when I visited the famous scout camp called Gilwell Park just outside of London, and purchased a set of Woodbadge Beads there which were tied in this knot.

This knot can also be found in the book by George Russel Shaw called Practical and Ornamental Knots, 1924 (now inexpensively available from Dover). Shaw calls it the Japanese Crown Knot, but he mentions a museum showing many Japanese knots where it was labeled the Success Knot, and the connection to the word KANAU was mentioned.

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