Can anyone tell me about this knot? thanks. Luis Gilp?rez
Welcome Luis!
I am not sure of the name of this hitch, but perhaps someone else may know it. Assuming you know how to tie it, can you verify the following image shows the correct path of the rope?
If so, it can be tied in the bight beginning somewhat like the “bunny ear” loops method of tying a clove hitch. However it departs significantly from there: an extra half-twist is made in the working-end’s loop before thrusting it through the other loop. A rough sequence of images showing this method can be seen here. The method shown may not be ideal, as I only played with it briefly.
That is how I see the hitch, too --not too much way
for it to be otherwise, given what the photo shows.
And I wracked my mind trying to recall if I’d fiddled
something like this way back … , but don’t think so.
(A “collared clove hitch” might serve as well, and
with less vulnerability to capsizing.) At first, I wondered
if it was a reverse ossel hitch; no, but the reverse of this
hitch resembles that. (I would prefer the former to either!)
Luis, what is the story/history of this knot?
–and Greetings to you !
–dl*
Thanks dfred and Dan_Lehman. Yes, the knot is exactly the same as sent by dfred. The story is at this link: http://www.cota0.com/?p=2753 . The knot has been presented as a new knot for caving under the name of “Andalusian knot”. But it seems to me to have seen before in some old manual, but I could not find it and remember the name of it, perhaps 2-wraps hitch. Excuse my English, Google translator result …
After reading a translated version of that page, I would think the following hitch may be worth considering if you haven’t already:
Google gives :
On Friday, October 5 was presented the work of trials conducted with the [i]Knot Andaluz[/i]. The presentation of videos and photos from this trial were presented in the courtyard of the Company Rookie of M?laga, attended by fifty people interested in this new knot. The presentation was made by Victor Su?rez, Manuel Duran, both coaches of the Andalusian Federation of Speleology, GES Club of SEM. The knot was developed by Victor Suarez collaboration with Manuel Duran. Both studies and tests conducted dynamometer resistance. The presentation projected two videos where tests showed the knot with different strings used in caving and canyoning. Likewise also was a graphic where there were technical details, applications and features you have this new knot. Easy and quick to make, sturdy, easy to undo as no azoca, no slides and spends little rope, which are the main advantages. The knot resistance to equal and in some cases surpassing eight knot, but with the advantage that you can undo even under load, easy machining facilities that are commonly used in caving and falling guns. From this page, we want to congratulate the creators of this new tool that will certainly give much play in the future.
–dl*
Very nice, clever and tight hitch. Congratulations !
I have loaded it in the reverse, and it settled in a form similar to the hitches I was trying the other day, at :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg24356#msg24356
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg24357#msg24357
However, those hitches there need an extra overhand knot to secure the tail, while the hitch presented here achieves it by this ingenious shear-forces utilizing mechanism.
I believe that the fact this hitch can be tied in the bight ( and used in place of the Pile hitch, for example) is an advantage - although I doubt it will be tied like this very often.
See the series of the attached pictures :
- Start from this form.
- Pass the left side bight over the right side bight s leg, and insert it into / thrust it through the left side bight.
- Done. The (accesible end of) the pole should follow the red line s path.
- The loose Andalusian hitch.
P.S. 2012-10-15
See also the video at :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFA4CMyhNA&list=UUILfSVV5Dr_qk5i2snM6uJw&index=1&feature=plcp
Hi to all,
Perhaps it may be interesting to note the similarity between the images posted above by dfred and X1 to illustrate a method for making the Andalusian hitch, and the images displayed by Cactus Red in his thread to show how he realizes the Perfection loop:
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4071.msg24362#msg24362
the only real difference seems to be the lack of the step 2 of the method of Cactus Red, during the making the Andalusian.Personally, I tend to see the Perfection loop as being ultimately a Slipknot (the stopper knot) with the tail “locked”; the lock operation of the tail, corresponds precisely to step 2 of the method of Cactus Red, and it was only at this point that I realized that, lacking that step during the realization dll’Andalusian, this knot can be seen as a new way to exploit the same identical topology of the Slipknot!
Regards to all!
Around a small ring, the hitch folds a little differently than around a pole. (See the attached pictures.)
The Gnat Hich, Is that not too tight?
Too tight for what? Are you talking about ease of untying after load?
Effectively, should to loose easily when not under load.
The Gnat Hitch should usually be fine for untying after taking a load.
Video on hitche Andalusian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFA4CMyhNA&list=UUILfSVV5Dr_qk5i2snM6uJw&index=1&feature=plcp
A beautiful hitch - perhaps the best 2-wraps hitch we have. It can be tied in the bight, AND can be tightened by pulling the standing end and/or the tail against the pole - great advantages no other 2-wraps hitch has.
A possible alternative is the inverted “overhand knot based hitch - double noose” - essentially, the Tom Foul s knot ( ABoK#1133) utilized as a hitch - presented in this forum, at :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3197.msg19074#msg19074
( See the attached pictures )
It would be nice if those two hitches would be compared by the inventors of the Andalusian hitch.
interesting test Andalusian hitche:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=he6YkjsMVmw
Hello Luis,
I really like the Andalusian hitche, and the video is really spectacular and, in any case, in my opinion, speaks volumes about the value of this knot, but the comparison between a fixed singular eye loop and an attack of this type, with two eyes adjustable to divide between them the maintenance of tension, perhaps it is not a competition on equal terms …(? In fact I do not know mean to these extreme situations, so I expect to be contradicted by those who know more than me! |)
bye!
This knot attaches a rope which is usually smaller to another (usually larger) when the line of pull is almost parallel. After testing various knots, experts recommended the Icicle Hitch as offering the best performance as a Slide and Grip Knot.
Experts ? Who are they ? Where are they hiding ? Where are their creations, their theory or their experiments ?
The bright and brave guys that tied the Andalusian hitch are better than all the experts of the world - they had invented a marvelous new knot, they had tested it, and they suspend their own lives on their invention. They had tied their hitch with equal diameter lines, and they had tested its ultimum strength - with dangerous methods, I would say ! 
We should respect those experts, the actual ones, not the others, the fictional !
( The Icicle Hitch is a not-bad, mediocre, not-very-clever hitch . No comparison with the Andalusiam hitch whatsoever… )
Timeo fictional “experts” et dona ferentes.
( Beware of fictional “experts” bearing gifts)