Does anyone recognize this loop?
The working end is used to make a bight, then the standing end wraps around it, and finally, the working end is slipped into the first bight before tightening. I’ve also tried looking for it without the slipped version and have had no success.
See images below:
Hello Alfonso and welcome!!!
In reply to your original question, even though i don’t think it matters much, at least for me, I would point out that it’s not actually the first time i come across crossing knot returning stabilizators, as nipping loop binders, in transposed, 1033 Carrick configuration.
If this seems somewhat ambiguous to you, you can keep the term “Carrick”, which is generally a good thing, even in transposed form, and the “runway” property of your knot, meaning that with just one pull, you get unknotted line in your hands.
One might say, you could have been more “bowlinesque” by inserting the first bight from the other nipping loop side for more stability, but your anti-approach is also quite interesting.
A more crucial question posed here would be " Can the two bights stabilise a nipping loop?"
In my view, up to a certain point i believe they can, as shown in your third image, energy stable state, but have in mind that your structure should be perfectly cinched removing all the slack, and it is certainly not to be loaded heavily, because there is a serious chance for the helical nipping loop to deform into a straight line (noose),with only two rope diameters inside it.
Under such circumstances, i believe your fixed loop knot structure, prevails over the not so stable highwayman’s hitch configurations, and generally leaves a positive impression.
Very good knot for light weight and runaway style!!!
You might want to check Andreas runaway bwl, a similar approach which puts four rope diameters inside the nipping loop!!!
Salutations Sir Greg,
I appreciate your reply and analysis! I am still baffled about the origin of this knot. As you pointed out, it exhibits many characteristics of existing knots but not enough to identify its provenance.
I received some good news, bad news on a different forum. Someone said they had used this knot in a factory that made glass panels, but nobody knew its name at the time of the training. And they had also used it to haul a vehicle. If this is the same knot, then I am less worried about it collapsing under load.
Again, finding out its name will help uncover how it has been used and any other testing it might have already undergone.
Any suggestions on what I can do next? I’m trying to be patient and see if others here have seen this knot before.
Best regards,
Alfonso…
The eye knot suggests a better one (or few) ::
reverse the handedness of the nipping loop
–or insert the Returning Eye leg from the opposite
side, making the “loop” all the surer a loop vs. helix
(which kost_greg rightly points to concerns of straightening.)
The inserted u-fold can be oriented to itself be a loop
vs. helix, which will help.
The eye knot has aspects bringing to mind one of
Hensel & Gretel’s (Ency.Knots&RopeWork (pl.36#196?)
ventures using some single-carrick motivation
–they reverse the finish : REL pass across the central
nipping loop to collar the S.Part and then tuck through
the loop to grab the REL & collar it in place.
Eh, don’t think you’ll get far in learning this;
and the answer might come differently from
different places/users, some of whom might
believe that they’ve done nothing novel but are
just following the guidance for some known knot,
or just putting in some suggested structures in a
haphazard way.
–dl*
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Hello!
Appreciate your insights and your advice. I’m very appreciative to learn more from members about the structure of this knot.
As for using this loop in a haphazard manner, I’m sticking to my known and tested loops. This is just a knot I ran across and wanted to learn more about. I hope someone recognizes it! It would be fun to see where it leads!
