has anyone … seennit?
it is difficult to find a knot if you don’t know the name,
so anyway,
the weave shape in ‘the’ plafond knot - what is that called? - it is very alluring,
i was after a(nother) knot that features it prominently, or completely,
took 5 months of it sitting in my notes till i had a closer look at it,
took the long way round,
i found the plafond version of it,
then reverse engineered it to find it is a simple-ish braid of overhand knots,
but tied in the crown direction.
could be new;
i will record a video if it hasn’t been done yet
clover leaf corners also an option
guitar fingerboard - with to-scale fret spacing if you really really wanted to!
what is this shape called?
i have been calling it an ‘aster’,
but - not knowing my flowers - it is nothing like an aster flower.
it is ‘a square (or diamond) with one end of each line overhanging the adjacent side.’
i couldn’t find it in wingdings. or the internet
it’s sort of the shape in and of the chinese crown knot .
my cousin says ninja star.
someone here will know!
anyway i really like the formation, as featuring in the ‘plafond knot’,
from two overhand knots being woven together.
yes, it’s almost the same … his is better …
it’s beautiful
the vertical crown sinnet - and a channel all to itself -
Bill’s got an extra twist step in it that keeps it square instead of the slightly rectangular shape i’ve tied,
i’ll have to give it a go
it’s the knot i was looking for … plus comprehensively tied in a cross shape, neatly firmly tied, it looks great
yes, it’s irisy
pinwheel-ish
offset-something
the lines of cartons stacked on a pallet
two letter T’s (?tesselated)
the handshake shape - sometimes a chair seat formed by two people locking hands
ninja star
the plafond knot aster
overhand knots weave
the vertical crown weave feature !
four pavers
have i seen that shape at the base (stand) of a christmas tree?
square iris
buttress square
buttress diamond
recently i have arranged toast on the tray like this to make it fit
Personally, I want a name (set of names?) that is not just in the case of 4 parts, but any number… 8)
yes, it's irisy
pinwheel-ish
offset-something
the lines of cartons stacked on a pallet
two letter T's (?tesselated)
the handshake shape - sometimes a chair seat formed by two people locking hands
ninja star
the plafond knot aster
overhand knots weave
the vertical crown weave feature !
four pavers
That reminds me I used to make that shape all the time when making a Lego chimney/tube
have i seen that shape at the base (stand) of a christmas tree?
absolutely, yes
square iris
buttress square
buttress diamond
recently i have arranged toast on the tray like this to make it fit
I remembered recently a talk about the flag of the Isle of Man https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Mann.svg/510px-Flag_of_the_Isle_of_Mann.svg.png
(well, about symmetry and the flag was an illustration of symmetry). The name for the shape is “triskelion” or “trisekele” which is nice and distinct. Moving up to 4, we avoid the swa/sauvastika issue with quadskelion (there are a few search hits for that and one for quadskele). Absolutely nothing at all for penteskele or penteskelion.
What do you think, shall we claim this suffix? 8)
Upon a moment’s reflection, this refers mostly to the arms and does not have the connotation of the shape in the middle? But if we’re claiming and repurposing we can add that to the definition.
having a stare at it, to me it’s all about:
the T shapes,
the lines and outlines of the whatever it is being woven,
which is an overlapping of cord or camera iris ‘plates’ (what are they called)…
or lego that’s butt-joined in a way that there’s the space in the middle …
the space in the middle is the main product of the particular overlapping / weaving / lego arrangement …
so it seems like it’s about:
the tees, and their radial or rotational arrangement, and that the T doesn’t touch the centre point of the total formation - ?
(and i guess that’s what i mean by ‘offset’)
which will make this shape-we’re-talking-about different from a ‘plus’ sign;
a camera iris different from an asterisk
pics: camera iris,
arms seat,
a pallet-stacking chart shows the lego chimney!, but called ‘the pinwheel’ …
the 3 hands handshake …
my gut reaction to the camera iris with outlines on it was: “iris-wedge” which misses the “t”-ness of it all
most of the definitions for pinwheel are fixated on the children’s toy, but this definition came up
a cogwheel whose teeth are formed by small pins projecting either axially or radially from the rim of the wheel.
on the google search page under the link from https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pinwheel, but strangely when you go to the link the word "cogwheel" isn't anywhere on the page. they also have
a wheel having pins at right angles to its rim for engaging the teeth of a gear.
those "pinwheel"s are this, though
https://cabaret.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/01-Pinwheels1.jpg
It occured to me that a “spiral with a hole in the middle” is a “vortex”.
At the moment I’m still pulling for “skele-iris” which I think carries with the the “skele” from “triskele” and “quadskele” as well as “skeleton” which is our “t” shape lines and “iris” from the camera shutter… but maybe iriskele/irisskele/iriskelion? 8)
maybe, just like knots, a pile of different names can apply,
technical, descriptive,
typographical would be good,
whimsical;
and personal favourites will stick,
yeh i’m not convinced of ‘pinwheel’ either,
iris is pretty good, as it’s got overlapping structure, like the weaving of cord,
but - downside - also homonym of the flower … loss of specificity
basically, what is that weave pattern called?,
plain under, over, under weaving? ‘weaving’, i guess!
oh it’s right there in your avatar!
that coaster card is the shape!
looking at it, i wonder if it’s ‘about’ an L shape, as much as it is about a T shape;
anyways…
vortex star,
cyclone …
aha - a browse of ‘cyclone symbol’ shows our meteorological symbol is a ‘p,d’…
others use a 6,9 or b,q symbol …
you guys call them tornados, i think
(hurricane, i should say)
as long as you are not coining a totally new word, there will always be some loss of specificity.
i like both vortex and iris as root words. I also like the -skele, -skelion suffixes.
so, “vortex star” or “iriskele/iriskelion”
basically, what is that weave pattern called?,
plain under, over, under weaving? 'weaving', i guess!
I've seen scoubidou ppl call it the "box top weave" for when you're closing up a box without tape, one flap over the other until you tuck in the last flap
- oh it's right there in your avatar!
8)
that coaster card is the shape!
yep
looking at it, i wonder if it's 'about' an L shape, as much as it is about a T shape;
anyways...
vortex star,
cyclone …
aha - a browse of ‘cyclone symbol’ shows our meteorological symbol is a ‘p,d’…
others use a 6,9 or b,q symbol …
you guys call them tornados, i think
(hurricane, i should say)
apparently cyclones and hurricanes are the same thing but in different parts of the world. Tornados are much smaller than either cyclones or hurricanes. Their meteorological symbol is boring and mostly looks like ][ but stretched out a little.
so, it sort of exists in weather map typography :)
- apparently exists as an emoji 🌀 oh i found it !
...
it probably won’t show up, but there’s all sorts of funky swirly unicode characters…
𖣥 (bamum letter phase c njeux)
𒅒 (cuneiform sign im squared)
𖣐 (bamum letter phase c ngom)
꥟ (rejang section mark)
‘box top weave’ is a great description,
and i always thought it was a groovy way of closing a box glad to know the name for it now
so here we call them cyclones,
i understand they are tornadoes, but with water,
could be wrong,
it’s been said that in Australia we don’t get tornadoes,
but we probably do, inland, but no large population centres to damage;
in the desert i have seen what we call willy-willys,
wind funnels, and i have seen them like 5 feet across, kicking up dust (what else).
but a workmate says he has been knocked over by one, so it must’ve been pretty fast.
and then last Christmas, on the gold coast, major coastal city,
a windstorm tore through at night, with no warning,
i think it is being called a tornado.
groovy with the unicode whirls,
can you write one?
of the vortex box top star shape!
there are quite a few .svg images for ‘ninja star’,
but none quite like the simple box-top four-pointed star vortex
as i understand it it’s just a question of scale whirlwind (dust devil) → tornado → hurricane/cyclone, although I did just read that tornados originate in the clouds and a dust devil is ground based.
groovy with the unicode whirls,
can you write one?
of the vortex box top star shape!
Not that I can find! 8)
there are quite a few .svg images for 'ninja star',
but none quite like the simple box-top four-pointed star vortex 😊
oh i found it !
