I am working on a project and I would really like your help. I am creating an 8 strand plait and I need to either start it off or finish it with a knot. I have thought of two different ways of doing it. First is to start it off with an 8 strand knot of some sort. The second is to finish it off with simply tying a knot in the end of the braided section (a single strand knot).
I first tried to finish it off with a Monkey Fist knot but the whole plait is only about 8" long so I quickly realized that I didn’t have enough rope to do the monkey fist.
I am a knot newbie so the simpler the better, however I would like it to look at least half way decent. Also I need the knot to be about at least 4 times the diameter of the 8 strand plait.
If you need more information or I didn’t supply enough info please let me know.
I thought I might be able to help until you said that you want a terminal knot 4 times the diameter of the plait. A star knot would look good, it takes a fair bit of cord but can be tied in 8 strands and would stand out well - I think I would use this at the start and plait afterward but without knowing what you’re making it’s difficult to see what’s needed. I am not sure what you mean by a single strand knot - am I right that you want a single strand knot to go around the 8 strands? A turk’s head would hold the strands together but would not increase the diameter by much. A little more detail about your project would be helpful.
The person who made these said they used a rose sinnet knot but I couldn’t find anything that shows how to make these knots. I tried making an 8 strand star knot but wasn’t very successful with it. Something like a star knot would be fine though as far as diameter goes.
When I was talking about the single strand knot, what I meant was this. I finished the 8 strand plait and then melted the end together. Then I want to tie a knot at the end of the 8 strand plait. I was looking at this video on youtube to make a monkey fist but my rope isn’t long enough to make that type of knot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXdHcH3FRcM
I would prefer to tie a knot in the end rather than start with something like a star knot for a couple reasons. First I think it would be easier for me to do that than to attempt something like the star knot again. Second, I think it would work better for me because there wouldn’t be the tabs at the end of the loops like is shown in the first picture. I could start the plaiting with the loop and finish with the knot to make a cleaner look.
The first one that I made, I just tied two overhand knots at the end of the rope. It works but it isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing thing ever.
If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it. Remember, this is my first foray into knotting ever.
Thanks this gives a better idea of what you want. I don’t think one strand will make a satisfactory finish and using 8 can be difficult though worth a try. I can offer 2 suggestions, a double Matthew Walker with all 8 strands (this won’t increase the diameter that much but will give you the start of a neat finish) or wall - crown then double the wall then double the crown (this brings the ends towards the plait so once tightened they can be cut off short. If 8 strands is too difficult use only 4 or 5 and bury the ends of the others in the knot. There are a number of terminal knots like this and many web sites to tell you how to tie them. Perhaps the problem is starting by using 8 strand sennit which leaves you with so many strands at the end - have you looked at Solomon Bar (one of its many names) using say 2 doubled strands (2 at the core and 2 to knot around it -this can be plain or spiral or both)? To finish you can simply bury the ends back in the weave or add a wall and crown combination using the 4 strands. Or add a largish wooden bead at the end with a simple terminal knot like a Matthew Walker and the ends taken back through the bead and buried in the weave (this might be an idea with the sennit if you’re set on it, leaving complex terminal knots until you have had more practice). I’m sure there are many people who can chip in here with better ideas but I can’t think of a simple solution if you don’t have someone on hand to help you. Meantime let us know what you think.
Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into them and see what I think about them.
I was looking online and I came across the Oysterman knot. I am thinking about melting the ends of the 8 strands together and then tying the Oysterman knot at the end and hopefully tucking the end inside the knot. Do you think this would work?
The oysterman (also known as Ashley’s stopper knot) is intended to stop a rope etc from passing through a hole - you’re looking for a terminal knot though a stopper might work it is intended for a single strand. Sorry to be pedantic but a web search for a terminal knot might be more productive. Whatever you decide try using 4 pieces of scrap cord doubled to practice before attempting on the end of your sennit. In any case a constrictor knot will hold your cords together nicely while you finish off. If I have any inspiration today I’ll post it.
Why not just cover the terminal point(s) with an add on decorative end such as any suitable turks head knot, pineapple knot, globe knot? Could even put a bead on the end and have a solid core to cover.
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Hi. a newbie here too.. ??? I wanted same king of question and find familier stuff on here. i fund this picture and i’m tring to find out how is this knots are consisted by. please look at this site page. take a close look on the knot.
I kinda know what those knots are consisted by but please let me know if you can identify what exactry they are.
The site calls the knot a rose sennit knot which is illustrated in Tom Hal’s book “More Western Tack Tips” I do not know of any tutorial on the web that shows how to make one…
OHH! :o that’s really same as the photo pf the outer rims! now i get it!
then, use those 4 standing strands make one paticuler knot then bury the remining ends…? or vise versa in that order… :
The jesses’ button knot shown has sixteen strands, eight of each of two colors, not four strands like Tom Hall’s illustration, but there are similarities. The inside pattern looks a little like the little lump knot, with a crowned exterior rim, which is called by them a rose sennit knot. Looking carefully at the photographs, it appears to have a Diamond Knot rim (which would explain the appearance of the crown edge) and an over two center crown, with rim crowning inside the outer rim using the other eight cords. Here’s a thought - why not ask the makers how they make it or buy one and take it apart (reverse engineer it)? Take a look at Graumont and Hensels Encyclopedia, page 116, figures 33 through 38 and then also at their page 150, figure 315 for a rather poor photograph in black and white. Hope this helps… ;D
I still don’t get it! … Also,i don’t even know the maker to ask the questions for this knot & this isn’t a level of “Reverse engineering” lol if it’s that much of secret there isn’t any book to instruct 7 explains how to tie this knot. simply, it’s matter of the luck of instructions out of my reach.
But you explained very well as below i think.
Can you possibly show me a instructions from somewhere how to make this knot much easier way? or is it too difficult to explain one like have to perform like “Reverse Engineering” like on a cars which runs only by tap waters made in some another 200 years ahead forign countries or An 70’s American inventer who had been “mysteriously” murdered because of his great inventions( car runs by water) were too dangerous for the oil companies ? ??? lol i don’t even know how to put that one. ;D LOL
first, tie the core part with 8 strands mightbe" LLH "or " PK “or " CK” i don’t even know! lol could be anything with that shape the core knot… lol then use rest of the unuse strands or left over strings to make the outer rims like rose senit or crown sennit knot over something… . bring down remain cords to blend them to the braids or from the braids the the core then the sennit rim . that’s what i can think of so far. i agree as you wrote on the quote below that is consisted with several basic knotting technics combined .
This knot has driven me crazy…I need help…here is what I know about it. It is a rose sennit 8strand first tie a crown and cinch it tight next tight a crown knot followed by a wall knot. So far no problem. But what follows hakkms been impossible for me to follow…each strand goes over one and under one. Next take each strand over two and under two thus finishing off the sennit. I have not been able to follow those last two moves…and believe me I have tried!! Can anyone shed any light??? Any people want to learn this complex knot but have not been able to find sufficient instruction any help would be greatly appreciated…jerry
