Hi Domagoj Nola,
I am sorry to have gotten angry and been rude. I really am very glad you learned the LLK. You did pick a hard knot to learn for starter. Let us see a picture of your project if you can. Where did you use the LLK? I like it as the terminal knot on a bell rope of key fob. Again… please accept my apology for my rude language. To all other members and guests I also extend my apology. I have a very short fuse and get set off by almost anything… but I’ll try very hard to not let it happen again. Sorry to all! I am most sorry that anything I said has been taken as a comment from the IGKT or IGKT-PAB as when I am rude it is not as a spokesman for the Guild but just my own rude and thoughtless self. Becasue of my affiliation I really must keep my mouth shut (keyboard locked). Yes, I am guilty of being hard on newbies and am sorry for that too, but perhaps less so. When I came to knotting as a newbie I didn’t jump in and want my “original knot” named for me. In fact I assumed everything I “discovered” was older than dirt. Therefore I get a bit harsh with “new knots”. But since new knots must stand on their own two feet.. the “So what, who cares?” idea I have been critical of folks who have not done any study and have invented a knot without purpose or foundation. Since I came to recognize my harshness as detrimental to the IGKT and IGKT- PAB I’ve tried to change my tone on “new knots”. For quite a long while I didn’t post because it often came off as harsh and judgemental even when I was thinking I was being gentle and instructive. I may have to go back to that stance again. I thank eveyone for the “off thread comments” as it has given me a lot to think about in my behavior and my lack of tact when posting. It can’t help but be food for thought for others as well. Good night.
Let me point out that I do and did not have any intention to try to intimidate Domagoj Nola or get him to leave the forum! I also want it perfectly understood that I consider taking on the LLK as a relatively unexperienced knotter is ambitious - not to say daring - and worthy of respect, if anything. That Domagoj Nola apparently succeeded speaks well for him.
What I did react to was the language used when Domagoj Nola replied to KnotHead. I honestly feel that kind of language was - and is - uncalled for, and quite unnecessary. As I wrote I can perfectly well understand why KnotHead has made the choice that people must register (As I also mentioned I can right now see another of my favourite forums being made nearly non-functional and pushed on its way to collaps by spambots, and believe me: It is not a pretty sight…) After all it is KnotHeads site, so he makes the rules - if I agree with his choice or not is actually beside the point!
So, in the spirit of clarifying and making amends, I would like to say that I hope you will keep on knotting, and will keep returning here, Domagoj Nola!
No hard feelings, I hope?
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Lasse C
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i try to put link to photo of my LLK i am soory of my bad lenguge but i am sick and tiered of people who think they know everything and yuging to everyone.I have simply needed help it is not a problem of e-mail because i have gave my e-mail and it is not yahoo e-mail but fixed line e-mail and
my name is behind that mail,i am not afraid of aneyone than god.my name is Domagoj Nola from Croatia and i live at Podgora whit address I.G.Kovacica 34 i will gave my phone number if someone is interested!
If thay dont want me on thay forum it is not a problem.
If they dont want to help me whit LLK thay dont have to speak about Rembrant on top of a Goya and bikes thay simly dont.Every time i start to interesting about some new stuf or hobbys i bump to a people like this who have eggos like gods and thay dont want to help anyone.
My e-mail is : domagoj.nola@st.t-com.hr and i have a problems whit writting english but not whit understanding.
So long to knot gods
Nice work, Domagoj.
Good for you!!!
I hope you stick around and that we will see more of your work in future. I am pretty much a beginner at all this and I learn something every time anyone posts a photo or a question.
Is that your first attempt at LLK? That is good. That is really good! Keep it up!
It also appears that misunderstandings are cleared, and what excuses might be needed are passed around and accepted. If so, all is well!
Welcome aboard!
Lasse C
Ok ,it is my first one but Dan tutorial is great and i did not understend it at first time.my next task is LLK whit a 10,12..cords but i will first practise whit 8 cords.
best regardes
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today i have made a star knot-key fob it is my first one it is from Dan tutorial i thinck it ok for first one
Hello Domagoj,
Thank you for posting the Star Knot key-fob you made - this looks like an interesting cord - is it nylon (polyamid) or something else? It is very hard to tell from your photo, even after enhancing it with a photo-editor to brighten it up. Do you get your cord locally or do you buy it from overseas? Well done on being able to follow Dan’s excellent tutorial - I shall also look forward to seeing more of your knotting.
Lindsey
Dan tutorial is great and i did not understend it at first time.I do not know if it is a relief to you or not - but neither did I... ;)
If you like to, try to play with two colours:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lasse_carenvall/detail?.dir=cb1a&.dnm=9d10.jpg&.src=ph
or making a “pineapple” version : http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lasse_carenvall/detail?.dir=cb1a&.dnm=bb7f.jpg&.src=ph
Lasse C
this cord whit i did my knots is polyamid and it is somekind of cord for fishing (it is a specila cord for that purpes and i can buy that in small renge of collors) )because i dont have to much of choice of ropes to buy in local shops.
this bicolor LLK is not for me i dont like it a lot but this pineapple LLK is a realy beauty and i will try to make somthing like this and i thinck that i have seen a tutorial on one web site for that -when i finish i will post results.
Domagoj Nola
I would like to see those too.
Welcome to the forum.
I did like seeing the other knots you showed.
I have tried to work knots like that from the instructions and find them hard to understand, so even better for you that you did, working with instructions in a language that is so different from your own.
Willeke
i am trying because i dont have any book of knots and this tutorials is everything to me til i buy some books about knotting and i am very gretful to people who make this tutorials.
Even though this is a very old thread, people might still find this thread when coming to this forum for instructions on the little lump knot:
The link to the tutorial was already mentioned, but for convenience here it is again:
http://knotical-arts.com/knot.html
For more strand versions of the LLK:
See attachments below.
The instructions from the Alaska forum regarding the LLK key fob is excellent.
As a fancy knot starter, I also was overwhelmed with the info I found cause I was not familiar with wall knots, MWK etc.
I went on to learn all the basics from Stuart Grainger’s and Des Pawson’s books as well as internet resources and about 6 month later I could tie these basic elements of fancy knotting in my sleep. When I came back to the LLK tutorial it was simple realy. It is a very good, detailed and clear tutorial but I agree, you have to learn the basics first and then it will come to you naturally. And yes, thanks to the excellent tutorial, I did not need years to perfect the LLK. I got it right the first time I actually tried it and have tied many more since.
The instructions in the mentioned tutorial only include the instructions for the 8 strand LLK, therefore I posted the link above for the more strand versions once you mastered the one with 8 ends.
Happy knotting and seasons greetings
Kai
Here is an alternate 12 strand pattern and the normal 8 strand LLK
