New nice, reliable Bowline

Bowline with a twist

  1. Much safer than Bowline: remains intact when subject to heavy movements even when not loaded.
  2. Holds in slippery polyethylene, fishing line and even (braided) steel wire.
  3. Running end double secured.
  4. Does not jam , rather simple to untie.
  5. Very easy made (blindfolded after some practice).
  6. Nice, distinctive zigzag look.
  7. Tested it to remain 80% of rope strength compared to also tested 75% of bowline.

Bowline with a twist 1.jpg

Hello Zigzagger

Sorry for my delayed reply, i had to clarify some notional bowline concepts.

Most of your aforementioned properties, are consistent with my view about your knot structure. It appears to be a stong , stable and very secure knot, with a distinctive resistance to ring loading, a well response when subjected to cyclic/ slack shaking loading impulses, and a nice zigzag esthetic profile.

However, does this structure qualify as a bowline?

Normally this would be a positive answer, as your crossing knot shaped nipping component is TIB, loaded at both ends, plus there is a collar (with a twist), whose both legs are being constricted by the nip. If your exiting collar leg would track down the exact running end’s routing just before capturing the SP, then you would have formed the single karash bowline, but i guess that was not your primary design goal in the first place.

Nonetheless, according to another theory, this collar twist, actually takes the form of a hitch around SP, which means that the collar segment is not fully contingent on the nipping structure. Verily, if you pull the working end out of its nip and cinch your knot, it still works, therefore, it does not make the most of the nip’s full nipping action. For more information, check this reply, which is somehow related.

https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=6748.msg44445#msg44445

Yet still, and provided that you have tested it, i am curious about your findings in relation to its jam resistance, as this woven collar component of your nub, does not appear to be very pliable to me.

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for posting your creation Zigzagger.
Just to clear: Is this a claim for originality?

There’s only been one reply so far… otherwise general silence.
As far as I can determine - it appears to be an original creation.
However, there have been numerous instances in the past where claims have been later refuted.
Probably wait a while longer and see if there are further comments…

A quick observation from me… your presentation is based on an anti Bowline (with left-handed nipping loop - S chirality).
The concept of wrapping the working end around the SPart has been done before (ie Scotts braided Bowline and see also Harry Asher’s ‘Enhanced Bowline’ (in his book at illustration #124 at page 73). You differ from these because your initial base is an anti Bowline.

Out of curiosity..are you left handed?
By the way, some of the smartest people to have ever walked the Earth were left-handed :slight_smile:
Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-are-left-handed-people-so-brilliant-8919135.html

@Zigzagger,
I haven’t seen it before. may be no body tie it before. I do tie many of my loops with this #206 nipping structures,
only a few of the turn out jam resistant.
Anyway congratulation, good work, very nice knot, I have a few quick tests, it is a jam resistant knot.
The wrapping working end around the spart does save it from jamming.

              This is not bowline, it is a #206 nipping structure loop,  For now I just call it by your name.(till, If some one bring in their knot)
               Here is how I would like to present your knots, very obvious you can see the #206 nipping structure loop, this way make it easier to tie this loop.
               The variation of your knot work fine too.  谢谢 alanleeknots

How did you test it? In what material(s) was it tied?

(NB, Agent_Smith, no sign of 3, or really much of even
2 diameters in that SPart turn! Are we barking up
the wrong tree?! ??? )

THanks,
–dl*

Hi All,
I find out the Master knot tyer MR. Dan have tie this class of knot before me too.
谢谢 alanleeknots


Dan's knot..jpg

Ha, Master Forgetter Dan wouldn’t have remembered
THAT one, of the pagefull --but needs to keep in mind
the 2nd from either end of the set (the one on the right
being for stiff ropes) : the “locktight” eye knots. Re
that particular knot, I don’t see it as much solving any
problem.

E.g., I’ve found some knots where the eye legs go
through a collar that merely retains them but
itself doesn’t constrict upon them; this I see as
maybe helpful in letting the eye legs deliver full
50% each force back into the knot, perhaps to
try to friction-grip the SPart and help offload force!?
–where the SPart might not be held by such gripping
were it not making a U-turn in the knot : arrested
by this, then, its lead into the knot has to take
whatever gripping the eye legs can deliver.

(Am trying to organize so I have a clue as to what
Master Dan has previously tied AND illustrated, so
that he doesn’t repeat himself. (It is too often, when
in question about some recently fiddled knot being
already drawn, to just go ahead and illustrate it vs.
spending time trying to find any possible prior drawing.
THAT is what I want to better organize,
to ease the searching.)

–dl*

]Thanks to all for your replies.
.
Sorry for my delayed response:Have been waiting a while for replies however, never received any reply notification in my mail box despite having it activated in my post!?

I would like to name it a Bowline with a Twist or an Enhanced Bowline, as it is tied almost the same way as a bowline (see my attached pictures): Right handed!
I made a small instruction video of merely 978KB which shows it clearly, but unfortuanately is not accepted as an attachement to a post.

Yes, I believe/hope it is an original creation as I did quite some research on knot publications.
W.r.t the Anti-Bowline: I came also across that one when experimenting for an improved bowline, but it does not hold as good in slippery fishing line and is less resistant to ringing. I also investigated Harry Asher’s ‘Enhanced Bowline’ before publishing my version.
I tie this new Bowline right handed!

This Bowline with a Twist is surprisingly easy to tie in springing thin fishing line!

I tested all aspects with all kinds of rope, fishing line, steel wire etc.
For testing thin material up to 0.6mm I made a small test rig (see picture 3). Material up to a diameter of some 2mm was tested the same way with a temporary test setup.


Bowline twist1.jpg

Bowline twist 2.jpg

This is not bowline, please see ;Topic: What defines a Bowline? https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3233.0
alanleeknots.

I followed your advise to see that topic: It seems to be a long expert dispute, beyond my scope as a hobby knot tyer.
The fact that I tie it almost in the same manner as a Bowline was the reason for me to name it as such.
I leave the judgement to you experts.