Offset knots (amusing video)

Dan will love this video.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDkLXs-vfuI

Its obviously intended for the mass market - and is entertaining.

At 3:34 into the video - Dan will be pleased :slight_smile:

Its a shame they didn’t spend more time and detail examining how the dressing state of offset knots is a key factor (particularly with offset F8 - which has a significant effect on security).

Anyhow, watch the video and have fun…

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Glad someone is testing! I particularly like the bounce testing towards the end.

Thanks for another reminder of HowNoTo’s doings.
Yes, it would be nice were they more informed about
the possible states/forms of their knots --and also of
the variety of knots able to do the job.

The “pull on every strand individually” pretty much
improves performance, but there are specific orders
of setting that I think can do MUCH better than others.
I.p., it should be stressed that --for the purposes of e2e
joint security– the key objective in setting is getter
the choking strand(s) snugged TIGHT --loading the knot
in stopper form (S.Parts adjacent, pulled as one vs. the
knot body), then maybe an iterative further tightening
of the choke,
THEN the knot’s ready to resist offset loading into the choke.

Re-reviewing the video, IMO the setting of the knot(s)
should have been a LOT harder --and with purpose,
not merely “every strand” (actually, coming to pull on
the S.Parts I might favor/accept doing those together,
held adjacent & stopper loading).
That early/first showing of the part-of-a-2-line-rap line
with the knot sitting atop the ring (poor choice, IMO)
has a quite UNtight overhand, the choke pulled broadly
apart. Surely one can do better than that!

Well, we should note this video treatment as an example
of the poor, too-coarse resolution of what a knot is
(like the frequent showing of a Fig.8 EK in what I’ve
called the “flat” imagery --easy on illustrator–, where
often what it the S.Part & tail is left to the imagination).

–dl*
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I’m struggling to see what “rotational” form is being
used --i.e. choke/twin : arc/loop, loop/arc, equal abutting.
I think that the loop/arc is hardest to sustain, with it
moving towards equal-abutt; at 1:58 it looks to be
that the 6mm choke is arc to the yellow twin’s loop;
and then at 2:09 I’m seeing same form (arc/loop), the
choking yellow as arc to 6mm strand’s loop, a pretty
well sustained form until rolling-capsizing.

–dl*
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TY, very nice vid of offset Bends using the most basics of Overhand(OH) and step further of figure8(fig.8).

Just as different mixes of wood or metal would elicit different responses from a loaded support construction; then too different rope materials and constructions. We really tend towards speaking more of rope generically on many points, that would not in other materials. Hear they factor that in.

OH standard is around itself in 1 diameter as weakest knotting of tightest arc; 2 diameters for offset OH arcs as here i always think is less stress, more relieved. The arcs around the Bitter End(BE)are not ‘cranked’/leveraged so tightly around the BE as ‘host’. Just as in this size range a smaller host would give less efficiency.

Rope is a material we place stress on, as any other.
Geometry of the loaded form rules the rules. Only rope responding in the same dimension as the pull(s) can work against the linear pull(s). Just as in Rigid materials (wood, steel etc.), the inline load or part of may only be carried on the inline Dimension. In Rigids the leveraged angle part of the load then only carries on the cross Dimension aspect. BUT, rope (a nonRigid/flexible material) has no Native cross-axis Rigidity. So full load is carried inline in single load models; thus only on the rope parts/percentages expressing reach etc. inline. The rest of force and reach to the cross axises are then byproduct forces.

As so too; loose 'ungroomed ’ wood, plastic, stone or metal parts etc. don’t work as efficiently , as see same concept in rope. Dressing rope parts into place can minimize slip and impacts, while presenting also the best geometry to load properly.

i think in terms of linear is opposite of radial in many ways. Then too, same dimension as load vs. crossing dimension as opposite forms. Thus, where on an OH in same dimension of load in round rope is not as good; in opposite of flat rope/webbing (linear material ) is more favorable. Also, where a fig.8 or OH in same dimension as loading event(s) a fig.8 is favored; on cross dimension the opposite favoritism is seen in the offset here.