"The “orange stuff” I discarded " : yes but only in the pics shown. I brought it back.
Same stuff as the green one used for netting that appear bleached by sea, sun and sand.
Don’t discard, play with it!..I will be
surprised if indeed it is hollow, and not instead with a core of maybe 11? single
monofil fibers
See pics here : rope autopsy :
http://charles.hamel.free.fr/Orange-Green%20Stuff_0.jpg
http://charles.hamel.free.fr/Orange-Green%20Stuff_1.jpg
http://charles.hamel.free.fr/Orange-close-up.jpg
Played with it when I found it.
and is PP ( cost effective!)
That is the conclusion I attained on the following ground :
- Brittany fishermen are more a thrifty lot than a thrivy one ( very low revenue for long hours of work) and they do tend to very often “have not 2 euros to rub together”.
- they do not seems to be very attentive to save piece of 15 or 20 inches of lenght:
- In the “cooperative maritime” ( that is the fishermen community shop ) it is the cheapest rope.
Though how to judge this?! If the knotted structure works,
And right works=“good” ; dont works=“bad”
Well may be in some cases “sloppy” is a too hastily dealt judgement : “not economical”, “bizarre”, not aesthetic…" “surprising” :
One pic here, but as it is not mine link will be dead by the end of october.
http://charles.hamel.free.fr/NOT%20ECONOMICAL-1.jpg
One I noted and re-did this morning
http://charles.hamel.free.fr/Noted-mooringline-rebuilted.jpg unusual but pleasant looking
Mooring a painter with just a turn and a one half hitch is so sloppy that the painter decided to take a “floatabout” ( adaptation of the ausssie “walkabout”) in harbour!.
Putting so much unidentified knots piled one upon the other for a volume of about 30" * 20" *15" and ending in having the mooring line axed, is it sloppy or idiosyncrasic ?
They have a saying in Brittany : “un tour mort et deux demi-cles n’ont jamais lache” ( a round turn and two half hitches never let go before ):
but is putting 4 or 5 round turns and 6 or 7 half hitches the symptom of an anxious guy or a sloppy knotter.
Making an eye to be used as mooring line ( even temporary, in Brittany you never know what sea and weather will do!) with friction tape instead of splice is…sloppy?
Not abiding by the rule of last comer to put his mooring “under” and through the eyes of first comers lines, is…what if not sloppy : impolite?
Another person however simply made an Oh stopper to be fit between legs of the Oh eye
That is similar ( not a somple Overhand)to the http://charles.hamel.free.fr/BRITTANY-KNOTS/floatsam-B1.jpguse.
It is “put in” one of the hole of a plastic figure of eight piece ( I do not know the english word for it) to hold on the pot.
One might question this as just another knot myth, advanced dogmaticly by those from the grand sailing ships & navy, and not all so true ever of fishermen and other users?
You are right : fishermen vocabulary was not the one use on tall-ships, on cruise ship or in military Marine Nationale.
But…
In my long gone youth I lived in Avranches ( Gl Patton is famed for his “thrust” through this town in WWII) about 10 miles from Granville. I was 8 when I arrived there.
Till about 1950 there were “cap-horniers” ( cape horners) in activity there, and there was much fishing activity : I can tell you (valid for farming words too) that there was a very precise vocabulary to be used.
Granted in Normandy “le patois” ( the local dialect) was in fact the 16-17th century French.
At the time I could readily read it and many people still spoke it : not anymore.
I tried some words learnt in my youht with young people in Avranches : googled eyed faces I got.
On board of he french Marine Nationale goelette ( school ship for officers ) care is taken not to say rope for a hallyard or a stay!
That is not snobbery but safety. Same mind map shared!
Just as onboard of the “tugboat” that keep dogwatch over “le Rail” ( the Rail) off Brittany coast : vocabulary is not sloppy : that is the price for quick action in tight corners.
Even in my old job : medical vocabulary is much impoverished and many of the very precise and “nuances” words are only found in dictionnaries now. Do not utter them among assitance under 60!
Way of the world, I know!
if one gets lucky, there might be some case … both
helps the fisherman get things done, and informs the helper firsthand!
Well! there you are in Brittany ( and stillto this day if you are born two town away you are “the stranger”), and you are in France : so much regulations, laws, insurances obligations…
They cannot( would not?) let you set a foot and work ( even without pay) on their boats.
I have being going to this part of the world since more than a third of a century ago.
And still, despite uncounted shared diving hours, I am not really “one of them” ( and my paternal family branch hail from the very near Normandy!).
Queer lot frenches can be! that is me telling you!
And it would help to put the question about the “left-handed” Bwl to that
navy said to prefer it: is it precisely because it better resists capsizing (which I
think it does, as the collar-leg adjacent to the SPart of the Bwl will be tensioned
and not able to be drawn back to capsize)?!
In my post about “french bowlines” : the left hand bowline that figure in the 1875 “Manuel du Gabier” ( Topman Manual).
They do not give justification about choice.
I wonder if it does not have something to do with the laying of rope ( Z and left is best, S and then right would be best? but may be that is a silly notion. I seems to remember far back in the mists of my memories, someone insisting on respecting as much as possible the laying of the rope when putting/laying a knot in place before tightening it)
Cheers!
