Pineapple Knot

Decorative Fancy Knotwork Tutorials
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Can anyone direct me to a site that can tell me how to tie a pineapple knot?

Thanks,
Turks Head54

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Hi TH54,

Lets try to find some instructions on the net: www.knotical-arts.com/granthall.html

brgds

Marcin
Takler

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some more info at

http://www.khww.net/news_cats.php

would recommend any of the books on turk’s-head knots

Tom Hall
Ron Edwards
Bruce Grant

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If you have never tied a 5part 4bight turks head you will need to know how to tie that knot before attempting this tutorial. Here is a link to Bud’s tutorial on the basic pineapple knot.
http://www.khww.net/readarticle.php?article_id=34

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Dan Alaska has posted some excellent tutorials on the PKs at his Pineapple Knot Forum site.
I tied almost everyone of them and can say they are GREAT!!! He starts off with a basic PK and before you know it you’re tying a ~ …type 3 - 4 pass (from a 7x6 turk’s head). By following Dan’s rules, I was able to tie a 32 part x 36 bight, 6 pass, Type 1 Pineapple knot. Whoo Hoo! Thanks Dan for your great tuts!

This link below will take you to the tutorials. Check them out; they’ve got plenty of pics that lead you step by step thru tying different PKs!!!
http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php?c=20

Tom Hall’s Intro to Turk’s Heads has been mentioned in a post above but I believe it can be mentioned again as it is a tremendous help in learning the PK. You can get a copy of Intro to TH by Hall from Marty Combs’ site at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/skateworld/index.html

Hall uses diagrams to help explain the PKs. To give you an idea here is the diagram I made for the latest PK I tied (mentioned above).

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2402/diagramtype16passsmallon0.jpg

I had run out of orange line and used pink that I replaced later when I got more orange. Here’s the breakdown of the casa passes by color.

http://www.khww.net/forum/attachments/6passtype1graph.jpg

And the graph lined to the PK:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2321/graphpk6passtype1.jpg

I would also recommend the following to anyone learning or wanting to learn how to tie a PK.

Sidney Wood has an abundance of great info on the interweaving of casa knots and a whole lesson on the Pineapple Interweave.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/interweaves.html

His lessons on paralleling of a part of the primary knot and especially recognizing the parallel pairs and splitting them properly were invaluable.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/newiwintro.html

I guess we all learn at our own pace, but recognizing/seeing the pairs was really hard for me until Sidney’s excellent lesson finally sunk in. Now I can see the pairs while tying. WhooHoo! Thanks Sidney!

Now I want to “see” the finished knot while I’m tying it, but that hasn’t happened yet.

Rick
skyout

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Terrific additions to the tutorials Rick.

Thank you for taking the time for all of us out here in Knotland.

Dan’s Tutorials are excellent and have helped me more than I can put to words.

And has been stated before, KHWW is a loaded environment for those would would like to learn some decorative twiddlings. Some inspiring knotwork on dsiplay there.

And talk about inspirations, we would be remiss in knot adding Vince’s
http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutor1.html
here as well

Thanks again Rick!

SS

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KHWW has 3 tutorials (one of them is Bud’s doing it the old way) on how to make the 5part 4bight turks head needed for this fine tutorial. Bud’s PK tutorial in the link Brian shows above is the one that taught me the Under 2 at the X rule.

Turks Head 5 Lead 4 bight in string by Loren Damewood
Turks head 5 lead by 4 bights the old way by Bud Brewer
Turks head grids 3x7, 3x4, 5x6 and 5x4 by Patrick Ducey

All these fine tutorials can be found on this page:
http://khww.net/viewpage.php?page_id=25

Bud also gave us this:

I don?t know anything about types, an I definitely don?t know anything about the math of these things. Long ago I sat down an figured out the way the passes go under an wrote it down. Lost it an so, redid it again. I think it is correct. Maybe this will help with the knots PINEAPPLES

2 pass ? first pass under 2 at the top, under 2 at the bottom. There after, under 3 both top and bottom. (basic pineapple)
3 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 4 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 5 at bottom
4 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 6 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 7 at bottom
5 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 8 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 9 at bottom
6 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 10 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 11 at bottom

here are some of the pineapples. the 6 pass is the blue door stop in the gallery

http://khww.net/forum/attachments/pineapples.jpg

http://khww.net/photogallery.php?photo_id=699

http://khww.net/images/photoalbum/album_2/door-stops_t1.jpg

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I am a newcomer and a still a newbie about knots, and I like to try my hand at something harder to do like the Pineapple knot to keep the motivation going instead of staying with the simple knots. And I must say that the best way of seeing them is the way Sidney Wood shows them with the colored charts.

Thanks for posting the links to his site, because that’s what put me on the right track when I searched on info on the Pineapple knot. I looked at a lot of other explanation without success, but now I think I begin to see the light…

Gilles

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Gilles,

Welcome to the forum, it’s great to have you joining us. I just looked over Sidney’s great site again, I have so much more to learn! LOL

We’d love to see some pics if you have some!

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Here’s my second shark tooth trophy PK fob. You can find/pick these teeth up off the beach all day long in Venice Beach, FL, USA.

An 8 strand square sennit to a 5/8" wooden core drilled in two places (out both sides) for the 16 strands of red and black 1/16" nylon line. I drilled 2 holes to accept both ends of the sq. sennit (they are not tied together at the base) so the constrictor knots holding them would not be seen.

I hand carved the core for the base of the shark’s tooth and I also had to reshape the base of the tooth with a hand file before gluing it in. The base of the PK will actually hold the tooth in place once tightened. I used a 12part X 12bright, 2 pass, Type 1 pineapple knot for the covering.

Hope you guys like it!

My daughter took this pic for me in her own hand!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5882/sharkfob.jpg

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Very nice work rick.
:slight_smile:

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Thanks Brian.
I can’t really put in words how thankful I am to you personally for all the help you’ve given me over time. My skills are where they are today because of your encouragement and help in my quest to learn how to tie a PK. So, thanks again so much for everything. GO KHWW!!!

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That braid you used at the top really brings it together and does not take away from the final look of the fob. The whole thing is just themed right together with the different geometrical looks to it. The fob really comes together and compliments itself.

Rick thank you for your kind comments. The only thing I did was recognize that there was someone needing help & a push. LOL… You did the rest all by yourself… Really, the only thing I did was set fire to the desire. I did that with my secret weapon. LOL…

Brian…

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Well, thanks for all of that!!! It really means a lot coming from you.

The 8 strand sq. braid can also be found in Bud’s great list of tuts. I had made them with one color but he recommended how to use the 2 colors in this fashion.
http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=40

Keep firing the secret weapon! :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Another one for my better half. She loved it!

A 4 strand sennit secured into the 5/8" wooden ball with a 12part X 12bright, 2 pass, Type 1 pineapple knot.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/11/viksfixsmall.jpg

I was asked several times how I secure the sennit to the core so I thought I’d share how I did it here: The wooden core came with a hole thru the center. I gathered the 8 strands together and put a constrictor knot at the base of the joined braid. I then was able to get the size (diameter) of the 8 strands together so I could redrill the hole to the correct size (just a little bigger). Don’t try holding the wooden ball with your hand while drilling, use pliers or a vise for safety. Then push all 8 strands thru the top and out the bottom of the wooden core, making sure the constrictor knot is buried inside the hole and just out of view. I cut the strands coming out of the bottom off leaving about 1/4" sticking out. Grab the bic lighter and set it on fire. Turn the ball around and around so the strands all burn together evenly. Once it reaches the bottom of the hole I use the smooth surface of the lighter to blend it out smooth by pushing on the melting cord. With a little practice you kind of know when to start smoothing it out, it needs to cool down just a little bit after you blow it out. You want it to burn inside the hole a little and out bigger than the hole so it will hold good.Any big lumps get remelted and smoothed out again with the lighter. I have not tried it because remelting works good but I think you could use a hand file to smooth any lumps, too.

My second shark tooth trophy PK (the red and black one shown on the previous page) I had to drill two holes, one out each side because of the tooth in the bottom. It worked OK. I used the melted nylon cord to fill where the drill got too close to the surface and came out (ripped the ball) before the end of the hole.

Please see a safety concern from my good friend SS369:

Good explanation of the securing of the braid.

If you were to take the next sized drill bit and enlarge just one end of the finished hole, you will have a counter bore for the melted blob to pull back up into and that might save your finger or keep you from possibly melting the plastic lighter.
Not sure what the safety rating of those throwaway lighters are but there has been some news of people doing weird things to their faces with a disposable lighter mishap.

Better safe than disfigured I always say.

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How Do Rick :wink:

Very Nice looking work, and a good explaination of your loop attachment method, the flower’s quite pretty too :wink:
Thanks for sharing.

Take care,
Barry :wink:

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Thanks Barry.

The orchid, like her new key fob, is one of my wife’s favorites, too. LOL

It has 2 blooms today and when all the buds bloom together it is quite spectacular.

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I made a tutorial/grid that Brian posted at KHWW in the tutorial section.
It is for the 16 part x 16 bright 2 pass Type 1 Pineapple Knot.
This one is from a base 9px8b Turks Head with a 7px8b Turk’s Head
interweave, which gives 3 zigzags in the finished knot.
I hope everyone enjoys it. Just click the link below.

http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=145

This is one from 5/32" line from Home Depot still on a 1 1/4" dowel in University of Florida colors. Go Gators!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/979/1003710small.jpg

KHWW.net is in a rebuild stage and all the tutorials aren’t up yet, but if you join Leatherworker.net (a great site) you can still view this tutorial here: http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?app=gallery&image=7662

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This is a beautiful not.. Probably one of my favourites I’ve really only ever used this for practical reasons but I really like the two colour designs! I’m off to make one now!

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Rick, did you dye those ropes yourself?