REVISED: Fancywork Supplies and Recommendations [29-12-2012]

Some time ago :o I was asked by the Webmistress (I think) to condense the following once-stickied posting on sources.

Finally: all things come to (s)he who waits… ::slight_smile:

http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=977.0.[/url]]Link to the original posting.

I’m positive I’ve forgotten to include something really, really important from the OP, but it had gotten far too long at 5 pages to be really useful any longer. Please feel free to berate me by email and let me know what it was I forgot, INCLUDING A CURRENT URL! I’ll add it forthwith.

PLEASE: if you wanna do a “me-too!” post, put it on it’s own thread or send a PM to the poster: let’s keep this thread as clean and easy to use as possible.

ATTENTION ALL KNOTTERS! If you have a website and have tutorials or useful instructions/information on it, why not reference this Forum, as well as sending me a link to your site/tutorials and I’ll do up a second collective post!
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Sources and thoughts on materials for knotting: US version

Please don’t post actual pricing and please don’t post if you have an interest in the concern. Let’s keep this as a neutral informational post, not an advertisers jumble.

To start: Cyanoacrylate Glue in bulk.

As many of you know from my past drivels, I am a proponent of using cyanoacrylate glue for many purposes (*) in doing small fancywork, but getting some at a decent cost has been rather difficult.

Finally I found a good US source for this stuff and thought I’d share…

ExoticBlanks took over from WoodenWonders when Mannie retired: (see below) they are a master distributor for EZ Bond CA glues, and you can really get some nice pricing on 16oz bottles of the stuff. They also have smaller bottles into which you can decant the glue for convenient working sizes, caps and “wicking tips” which are just a super idea, as well as 2oz bottles of the glue if you don’t need a big bottle.

I use the THIN *(5 CP) formula to “tip” my lines for weaving turksheads, to prevent the end of a line from “fagging out” while being tucked or braided (especially in squareknotting) and for a dozen other little things. (**)

They also sell “De-bonder” (GET SOME! It’s really helps to be able to get this stuff OFF a surface if you have an ‘oopsie’!) as well as accelerator to speed up drying, and while - nine times out of ten - you won’t need it with the thin formula and cotton/linen lines. its nice to have some for working on real nylon or dacron blend lines, which are a bit slow to “set up”. Polyester blends set up just fine… use a bit of patience.

A lot of people like varnish. (I like the look) The way it coats the work and makes the surface smooth is very traditional, while CA penetrates the fabric of the line and does not give a 'smooth" surface finish. But the CA surface gives a far superior ‘grip’ to the handle, so it’s really (as Daedalus said to Icarus) a matter of ‘a pinion’ as to which is better. It also dries in a very brief time by comparison.

{(added DEC 2012): ExoticBlanks is in Michigan (or Minnesota, or one of those Northern Places in the USA… which does (censored)-all good for the Brits and other international-type knotters. PLEASE feel free to send me YOUR favourite (local-by-country) supplier of this wond’rous liquid!}

Generally (and I am absolutely open to correction on this), very fine knot work requires a 8 ga. hard cotton line (codline) which is about 3/32" in diameter. This may sound small, but the size, combined with the hard lay of the line will produce superior square-knot and fine braiding work. This is about .9 mm in diameter. This would produce (for example) about a 32-line square-knot belt (8 knots wide) at 1-1/2" across. .

Finding a really good line is probably the toughest thing about doing knotwork and it’s why I started this thread.

The “creme da la creme” of knotting line was the “Dreadnaught” cord sold by PC Herwig from appx. 1927 thru 1970 or so when the company went out of business. It was an 8 ga. hard cotton cord, sized (starched) and polished and came in six colours from white thru a truly awful yellow, but it was by far the absolute best thing for doing half-hitch belts, fine squareknot work and especially for making up fine braids for picture frames. (Some of the “old salts” from the USN will remember this as “Belfast Cord” sold (jobbed off) by GEMSCO at Naval Exchanges the world over. It was Herwig’s Dreadnaught cord in disguise!) I’ve searched for five years now for a manufacturer who could replicate this cordage and have come up empty.

As for the rest of it:

“550” or Paracord makes some VERY nice stuff if you’re into larger sized work!

Cotton lines are superb, and Polyester cords are just great… both have their place and both produce completely different results.

Jimalax is loved by many (but NOT me!) for the vibrant colour and larger size… I prefer a much smaller size and a different layup to the line, but that’s MY thuktun, innit?

I heartily recommend a reading (or purchase!) of Raoul Graumont and John Hensel’s “Encyclopaedia of Knots and Fancy Ropework” (Cornell Maritime 1944) if for nothing else than their section and photos of square-knot work, most of the photos for which were originally taken for use in Herwig’s “Square-Knotting Books”, #1, #2 and #3. If you have the Encyclopaedia, there no need of the Herwig pamphlets as it is all contained in the Encyclopaedia. (Incidentally, get a post-1952 edition of this if possible… the earlier ones have sections of the index missing!)

Tools are essential and good tools are always preferred! “A Fine Tool Does Not Cost Money: It MAKES Money” True in woodworking as well as knottying
and any other trade where the right tool makes all the difference. Spend it. It WILL pay for itself!

OK: The following have been gleaned from over 200 emails. One assumes they’re good contacts. Feel free to correct me.

CA Glues:
http://www.exoticblanks.com/Wooden-Wonders-CA-Glues/

Paracord (“550” cord):
http://paracordgalaxy.com/ (added 7/28/2014)-: Thanks to AKNOTTER!)
www.rwrope.com (Bob Dollar!)
http://www.supplycaptain.com/
www.lapolicegear.com/trpa100fole.html
www.vtarmynavy.com/parachute_cord.htm
www.ubraidit.com
www.cordsandropes.com/index.html

Miniblind cords: (“Handy Hundred” and salvaged spools) (ALSO ASK ABOUT ‘SOLUTION DYED’ MATERIALS)
www.rwrope.com (Bob Dollar!)

Cross-lace cord (As in LaCrosse)

www.jimalax.com
www.gpjrope.com/blind.htm
www.comlax.com

Cotton cords for fancywork:
Marty Combs www.knotstuff.com (RECOMMENDED!)

Rattail Satin lines:
www.satincord.com
www.crafta.com/a5-250rd.html
http://fabricbarn.com/catalog/?_s=5

Leather Lace: (UK):
http://bfnt.co.uk

Interesting tools and books for turk’s heads and globe knots

www.donb.com

Grip-fids and spikes: SWEDEN Lasse Carvenal Pieces of bloody art they are!
lasse.carenvall (at) gmail (dot) com

Spikes, Clamps and Monkey Fist Jigs:
http://khww.net/emall/vendors/pjs-custom-tools/products/ (Peter Nelson-RECOMMENDED! I have one of his spikes, he has one of my lanyards: everybody’s happy!)

Charts and discussion of line sizes - very useful! Explore the internal posts!
http://www.khww.net/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=791&pid=7612#post_7612

Small pieces for knot boards: pulleys, anchors, deck hardware, etc. added June 01 2012
http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/catalog.htm

Vince

Anyone who is looking for the original thread can find it at http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=977.0.

Thanks so much Vince - you have done all knot-tyers a great service!

SR

For people looking for side release buckles for paracord buckles, check out www.bucklerunner.com. They carry different sizes and colors, they offer bulk prices and also carry bracelet kits and safety buckles. I’ve ordered from them twice and have had great service.

For Australian members:

At last, an Australian supplier of paracord, micro paracord, buckles, lanyard breakaway clips, beads, etc:

http://www.camscords.com.au/

Paracord 550 is readily obtainable here in “camping lengths” in limited colours, but buying colours and/or micro cord means buying from overseas. I’ve had excellent service from a number of US sellers but the postage usually more than doubles the cost. My first order from Cam’s arrived very promptly and included a few extras of bits and pieces I’d ordered in other colours plus a few paracord colour samples. Excellent service so far!

I have also had excellent service from Cam. He has really expanded his range this year. Oz practitioners would do well to try for a quote.

Hello Vince
It’s Ed. Hatherley
I’m back after 9 years but can’t figure out this forum on my iPhone, nor can I find my old posts on this forum. Can you help buddy? Thanks
Ed.

Ed had sent me a tutorial for the Matthew Walker as well as some whisk brooms, all of which are on my tutorial site.

Yes, I am still making and selling my gripfids!
I now sell them via my Etsy shop https://www.etsy.com/shop/LeatherandCordage At the moment (October 31, 2015) I am sold out on gripfids, but I am working on a new batch, which I expect to be listed soon.

I also sell lacing needles (a k a Paracord Needles) in 9 different sizes. The threads are standard M sizes, ranging from M2 (2 mm) up to M10 (10 mm). Also listed on Etsy.


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a167/LasseC/Miscellaneous%20-%20diverse/Gripfidar%20lila_zps4pme2uzy.jpg


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a167/LasseC/Miscellaneous%20-%20diverse/Alla_zpszm4c5wpi.jpg

These look really nice Lasse - I have just sent you an order!

Barry

Yep, I noticed!
Will pack it as soon as I can! :wink:

Lasse C

Is there anywhere in the UK to get hard laid cotton?
I have been tying with some really soft cotton and my knots are really lacking definition..
I have been looking for quite small stuff probably 4-6mm..

Thanks :slight_smile:

I have bought cotton from Rope Services UK - prices include p&p usually. Only last week I bought a coil of 8mm for a Turk’s Head on a rudder stock (a real pain as it turned out!) and the rope was nice though I have to say not very hard laid - that seems to be a DIY job in the UK unfortunately. There is now 8mm artificial cotton available but that was the only size advertised last time I looked (probably rayon which looks and feels very like cotton - commonly used for butcher’s or cook’s string - strong and far better than ordinary cotton string).

Sweeney

Hello I am the owner of M Snellman Ropeworks and I do make and sell hard laid cotton and linen (flax) cords in sizes from 1,5mm to 4,5mm
Shipping worldwide.

http://snellman.ax/sivut/materials/kuvat/cords_3.jpg

Please visit:
http://snellman.ax
https://www.facebook.com/pg/MSnellmanRopeworks2/shop/?ref=page_internal

Keep on knotting,
Mikko

Most assuredly there HAVE to be more recommendations since 2016!

'Fess Oop, lads!

australia :australia:
international rope braid irbpty.com

polyester and nylon braided cord
manufactured in qld, from imported yarns
range of sizes from 1mm,
range of basic colours,
custom / blended covers,
black or white leech line,
lead time about a month,
but vb venetian blind / hoochie cord is on the shelf, available straight away.

100m reels
100m increments, to 1000m
(or, cut lengths: a surcharge applies)

the quality is noticeable when the cord is heated or flamed -
barely any fumes, and any fumes are mild.

shrinking in hot water is negligible,
<1% according to my measurements,
and even then, can be gently pulled - talking smidges here - back into original length.

addition, january 2023:
i mostly use 3mm polyester cover.
it’s catalogue code is FLT, for ‘flat’,
but it’s just hollow, and not really strap flat.
i have ventured into 2mm flat,

  • there’s no 2.5mm in the range -
    and it really is flat;
    not ideal for me;
    it’s hollow, but the shape really has flattened out,
    maybe from the tension during braiding ?..
    anyway,
    0.5mm increments are available in venetian blind cord,
    which has core and it round section enough.
    buying from manufacturers requires a business account to be set up

addition feb 2023:
what’s good about the info on the irbpty website
is that colour fastness is indicated on the colours that will fade; that is,
purple and fluoro green;
probably won’t fade much indoors, it for a long (?decade) time
but good to know !

Doing a Google search, I ran across this: Belfast Cord. From the page: “Belfast Cord by the Boatswain’s Mate store. Made just like the cord made by Plymouth Cordage with P.C.Herwing of NY that was their distributor to Gemsco and the Navy Exchange used to sell back in the 1970’s. This line is .8mm Z or RH laid cotton line starched (not 500 or paracord) on a single spool with cuts or breaks. Each spool is 500 ft of line. Each spool weighs about 6 ounces.” The cord is available in white or black.

I understand your dilemma with the figure 8 knot and can agree that the intricacies of knot tying can be a little complicated at times. I’ve had similar issues when trying to record a phone call for work purposes.
Not only do I need to ensure the recording is clear, but I also need to make sure it’s legally compliant. Fortunately, I came across this article on MightyCall’s blog that provides a comprehensive guide on how to record a phone call. It’s been immensely helpful and could provide some insights if you’re looking to do the same.
For anyone interested, you can check out the article here https://www.mightycall.com/blog/how-to-record-a-phone-call/