Transfigured ABoK#1056, as an end-of-line loop

[xarax]

@alpineer post:3

Static images prove nothing in this case.

Indeed, but they are indicating something - which, if you pay attention to the knot itself, and to what I had said about it, you will understand it. This knot is unstable - it is neither a bowline-like loop, nor a crossing knot-like loop ( as the Plait loop is ). The one link is more stable than the other - when it is loaded from the one end, it is not so bad, but when it is loaded by the other it is much worse. My effort, with the Plait loop, was to tie an Either End Loadable end-of-line loop, as I had said many times. ( However, when nobody pays attention to what I say, I have to repeat them, with the remote hope they will be heard…and so I write looong posts ! ) The Plait loop, although it is not symmetric ( there can be no symmetric TIB single loop ), it “works” the same way, as a crossing knot-based loop, when it is loaded by the one or the other end - and it is STABLE in both cases !

@alpineer post:3

Please find a better term than in-line if you want people to understand what you’re doing because it’s easily confused with mid-line.

I thought that it was a proper, simple term, but I may have been mistaken. Please, propose something less confusing, and we will discuss it. Trying to explain what I understand that this term, which is not mine, means, I had written this, replying to a similar question by Tex :

@xarax post:14

@Tex post:21

I have trouble seeing how any loop can be an called an inline loop and not an end-of line loop.

By “in-line loop” I do not mean “middle-of-line” loop - or "inside-the-line loop ", of course :), because outside the line, there is only fresh air !
I mean a loop tiable in-the-bight ( that is, where no end of the line was used to tie it ), AND in a straight, tensioned line. Ashley had placed most of his in-line loops in the same chapter, the one after the other.
The way we REPRESENT this ( because, perhaps wrongly, we dont use arrows to indicate tensile forces ), is to show the ends of the loop pointing to opposite directions, perpendicularly to the direction the eyelegs point to.
By the same token, an “end-of-line” loop ( which is also tied inside the line… :)) is hanged by its one end, and the other end is not loaded. Or, either or both ends are loaded, but both are adjacent and parallel to each other - and parallel to the eyelegs, of course.

@alpineer post:3

I fail to see much, if anything significant here to merit a special term in the first place.

You do not see that a loop with ends parallel to its eyelegs, has a different geometry and structure, and “works” differently, from a loop with ends perpendicular to its eyelegs ? Even much less differences in the directions of ONE loaded end can deform the nub in a very significant way, and you do nt see how a difference of 90 degrees, in BOTH ends, do not lead to different knots ?
I have to repeat this, for yet another time… Tie the two loops shown at :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4680
and tell me if you think that there is no geometrical / structural difference between those two knots, which difference should be described / labelled by a “special term”.

I do not test knots - but I believe you should had understood, by now, what I mean by “test” ! I mean a repeatable experiment, under laboratory conditions, which produces number of results large enough for statistics. I have not seen many such tests in those 6 years I follow this Forum - except JP s and knot rigger s. Also, the tests should involve ROPES, not small size cords - or fishing lines ! We just do not know if the results on knots tied on thin lines can be extrapolated for thick lines.