The ‘slipped buntline’ is often mentioned as a decent object hitch. Is it the High Point/Post [#398/#1809] or the ‘actual’ slipped buntline [#397/#1712] that people refer to?
I’m not that keen on names or genealogy, but as I cherish the former and don’t care much about the latter, I always assumed that ‘slipped buntline’ refers to the High Point/Post, but is that the case? Roo’s website lumps them together, but they are not the same properties-wise…
The buntline is a well known and reliable hitch but Ashley has this habit of describing a knot by its usage rather than its common name. The High Post Hitch is an example of a knot useful for a attaching a line to what will become a high post (in the case of a falling tide as Ashley mentions) but more helpful to be saying …"here is a set of circumstances in which the slipped buntline is useful " - whereas giving it a new descriptive name can result in the same knot appearing several times. Makes for a heavy tome but a potentially confusing one.
Sweeney
Names and usage aside, these two knots differ by an extra half turn (or lack thereof). When people refer to ‘slipped buntline’, which one do they tie?
For me it is 1809.
Do you have a source that shows a different slippped buntline hitch (or buntline hitch) from what Ashley shows?
As for my “lumping”, I do put the two on the same page, but primarily to show their similarities in execution.
I think I picked the idea from Notableknots first - #398/1809 being a ‘variant’ of #397/1712 (as in Honda Civic variant with tinted windows :-)). Ashley calls #398 as being closely related to #397, so it’s not entirely your fault :-).
The more I think about it the more I like Derek Smith’s Manifesto…
I’m not alone then :-). Would you like to click on the poll on top of this thread?
Any more takers of the poll on top of this thread? I’m really interested…
Curious about taking a poll over a definition :
a “slipped ” is that X knot whatever finished
with a slip-bight/-tuck. Otherwise, it’s a slipped
.
Now, Which Knot Do You Prefer? is a pollable topic.
(I could see a different knot in which there were
some wraps around both legs to choke them
together, as some sort of guard of the slip-tuck.)
i think of slipped Buntline standard forms are:
ABoK Lesson#0397 pg.063 Slipped Buntline tail not crossed
ABoK Lesson#1712 pg.295 Slipped Buntline tail not crossed
ABoK Lesson#1807 pg.305 Slipped Buntline tail crossed PREFFERRED
But consider the long way home for final tuck of
ABoK Lesson#0398 pg.063 shown as similar to Slipped Buntline #0397 and
ABoK Lesson#1809 pg.305 High Post Hitch to somehow be different as long way home (at least in pic1)as like:
ABoK Lesson#1666 pg.290 Fig.8Hitch (and fig8 Timber #1668 reported as needing 1 less tuck)
vs. short way home somehow different as a mechanic:
ABoK Lesson#1662 pg.295 Half Hitch (termination)
i think Roo’s sight, does offer this as an extra spice upgrade mechanically, not just generic either or to exact match noted
just not separately named to perhaps High Post Hitch if that is a distinction, for the longer way home changes several factors of extra pressures to nip across rope now that is a softer rope section anyway as while also reducing need to nip as less tensions along length also trying to pull out etc. chain of domino event individual values .
i find most seating, therefore nip in arcs, even if expressed more in the extra poof up of crossed rather than side by side bight legs. Even lending some rope guide effect, both things mite purposefully form in wood, metal, plastic etc. rope host rather than rope itself for as like similar effects, just not 100% rope material constructions.
ABoK Lesson#1811 pg.305 Slippery Hitch perhaps too slippery w/o the poof rounding/serving nip more firmly up against tensioned forces as radial not linear span does.