Ampersand TIB bowline

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Thanks for the good work Alan.

I find your tying of it ingenious and I salute you for working hard to come up with a way. It is not so simple unless one practices and memorizes it.

That said, I personally don’t find a need, very often at all, for tying eye knots in the bight. I generally need to thread the rope through something and then finish tying.

But, it is good to know for the sake of knotting information nevertheless.

Thank you.

SS

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Somewhere on this site there is the presentation of the
simpler-than-Yosemite Bwl like version (the YoBwl has
a fig.8 tail path; the “simpler than…” an overhand one,
which is PET/TIB.
The obvious case is just tying the bowline with a bight from
the tail, giving sheet bend geometry for through loading,
but not offering eye-loading of the tail (not decently, anyway).

Xarax’s

A bowline-like PET loop is a versatile and a useful knot --so a TIB PET loop, is even more versatile, and at least as useful as a non-TIB one. It would be great if we could discover and tie the same ONE knot ( instead of tying two different knots ) either when we want/need to tie a loop in the end of the rope, or when we want/need to tie a loop in the bight, in the middle of the rope --provided, of course, that we do not jeopardise the qualities required from the different knots we are accustomed to use in each of the two cases.
should raise one of the issues re [i]What is a *knot*?[/i] in its "same" --to wit: Is it "same" if made by different tying algorithm? Because if one must do something different when TIB vs. PET, one might as well be finishing differently, IMO (but for some assertion of great simplicity in resulting in the same geometry to check for correctness) ! Note that the [i]bowline[/i] tied w/bight of tail can use the single tying method.

–dl*

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Hi All,
I know I am the worst one in the forum,I have hard time try to follow words to tie knots, I try and try, and try, eventually I give up.
I hate wasting time on this issue, for all the hours I waste, I would have use it to do some more constructive thing for myself,
or may be create another new way to tie a some knots. 謝謝 alan lee.

     VERY SAD, WE COME HERE TO TIE KNOTS, WHY NOT HAVE SOME PICTURE OF KNOTS.
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hi Alan

VERY SAD, WE COME HERE TO TIE KNOTS, WHY NOT HAVE SOME PICTURE OF KNOTS

Same here, I understand you; less words more pictures and btw thanks for yoursl!

Regarding TIB’ness maybe a member with enough time to spare would be kind and commence a post in containing ONLY TIB structures and ONLY post with photos; that would be marvelous.

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Hi All,
enhaut Thanks for the positive and constructive comment.
I like your idea, nice to have few places just to post picture knots for different category knots.
謝謝 alan lee.

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 Can any one please help, I want to know what kind of knots are in the writing above.
      謝謝 alan lee.
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Hello Alan.

I am sorry that I can not help with this. Perhaps Dan will clarify.

SS

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Hi All, Scott, Thanks for the reply.
謝謝 alan lee.

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Hi Alan,
I think Dan was referring to his Lehman’s Locked Bowline (I think you know it)
here it is

http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4476.0;attach=11925;image

(http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4476.0)

Perhaps he was referring to ABoK #1016…

http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5593.0;attach=20267;image

(http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5593.msg37984#msg37984)

[edit] but this is not PET!? :-
Hope this helps.
Ciao,
s.

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Hi All, knotsaver, You have a great day, Thanks you very much.
謝謝 alan lee.

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Thanks for finding …

Indeed, it was the top (rather, um, wavery) knot.
Note that this can be tied by inserting a bight tip
into the nipping loop, then "backflipping* it into
final, collaring position --there are 4 orientations
(or more) to this, and I think the one shown might
be best (and can be loaded on either end).

This particular bowline was presented decades
ago by Pieter van de Griend & John Smith in Knotting Matters
(#18, is it?).

–dl*